Index Card 4 - Corkboard Writing App for iPad

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Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:38 pm Post

I'm super excited to share that Index Card 4 is now available on the App Store. There are over 30 new features, including a redesigned interface, the ability to add images, and text formatting. Perhaps of special interest to members of this forum, the added ability to export Scrivener .scriv files, as well as OPML, and PDF doc.

For more details, visit: www.IndexCardApp.com.

It has a limited time price of $2.99 USD (40% 0ff). Index Card 4 requires an iPad or iPad mini, and iOS 8 or later.

Full disclosure, I am the developer of Index Card.

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Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:55 am Post

Thanks. Perfect for working on the novel. Love it! Cheers from Oz

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Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:29 pm Post

Hi Den,

Thank you for the announcement. What's the best option to interchange work with Scrivener?

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Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:22 pm Post

First -- I am NOT being unfaithful to my beloved Scrivener and my beloved L&L. But the fact is that - at this point in time, I can't use it on my iPad (and I have a vacation coming up, and won't be able to take my laptop!)

Second... the developer of Index Card 4 is VERY responsive to questions... reminds me of the folks here at L&L!

Third... I decided to give this a quick spin. The developer's website and the blurb on the app says it works with Scrivener for Mac... I've got Scrivener for Windows... but what the heck. No, it's not like Scrivener on the iPad, but boy oh boy, it's not bad at all. On my iPad I set up a project with some files (cards). On some cards I added text (body), on some I added synopsis, on some I added both. I then copied (I know, that's odd.. copy, not save) the project to dropbox... when I did so, it asked for the desired format and I chose .scriv
I then opened my dropbox folder on my PC, found the file -- it was compressed so I extracted the folders... there was not a folder named Project.. but there was a folder type called Scrivener Project... I clicked on that, and got the usual 4 folders that we PC users expect, clicked on the project folder, and VOILA.. it opened up in Scrivener.. the different cards were listed in the binder, the synopses and bodies were there... almost made me cry!

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Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:05 pm Post

Can you go back and forth seamlessly between Index Cards and Scrivener? A reviewer on the App Store complained that when you open your .scriv Index Card project in Scrivener, and then work on it, and then go back to Index Card, some formatting gets lost. I don't see why that should be the case. Thanks

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Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:26 pm Post

A reviewer on the App Store complained that when you open your .scriv Index Card project in Scrivener, and then work on it, and then go back to Index Card, some formatting gets lost.


Index Card is a plain-text editor, like just about everything on an iPad or iPhone is, so yes, it is expected to lose some formatting, just like if you use plain-text sync folders, or Simplenote.

Something worth mentioning in this thread, if you’re using the Mac’s sync capability with Index Card, you should use the version 3 format option when exporting from Index Card 4.
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Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:07 pm Post

marcoiac wrote:Can you go back and forth seamlessly between Index Cards and Scrivener? .... some formatting gets lost.


Not to be mean to the Mac people... but for the Windows people, I have to say --gee.... I can use scrivener on my iDevice but I lose formatting?? Big fat deal!!

Frankly, seems to me that Lit&Latte is pretty open that Scrivener is NOT for formatting, and they have every expectation that once the story/report/article/thesis - whatever, is written, you'll compile it to a word processing software and make it look pretty there.

Until Index Card, I've been using Textilus on my iPad, and using dropbox to get the text back and forth to my PC. When I finish a story, it is UGLY.. and I don't mean POV issues, plot holes, etc. I mean that different chapters have different fonts, different margins, etc. If it really bugs me, I quickly go through and make everything consistent (and I do mean quick, it does not take long) before I start dealing with holes and POV problems. But for the most part, I ignore the formatting until after I've kicked it out to Word, and then I make things pretty.

as a final note, I've been doing some more work with Index Card... I still love Scrivener best, but Index Card is pretty decent. It's more primitive than Scrivener, missing a lot of features, but I can move things around, I can save my research... and when I get back to my PC I can throw everything back into Scrivener.

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Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:07 pm Post

AmberV wrote:Index Card is a plain-text editor.


I thought that with version 4 you could use rich text in Index Card. They brag about it :D

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Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:16 pm Post

dancingfool wrote: but for the Windows people, I have to say --gee.... I can use scrivener on my iDevice but I lose formatting?? Big fat deal!!


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Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:46 pm Post

marcoiac wrote:
AmberV wrote:Index Card is a plain-text editor.


I thought that with version 4 you could use rich text in Index Card. They brag about it :D


Yes, Index Card can use rich text format, and can export it, but it seems that when you sync from Scrivener to Index Card the formatting disappears. So it appears to be something on the Scrivener end, not to do with Index Card.
I am a user, writing non-fiction and science, using:
* Mac Scrivener 3 on a Macbook 12”, MacBook Pro 13”, and iMac 27”, running different OS.
* iOS Scrivener 1 on an iPhone 11 Pro, iPad Air 9.7”, and iPad Pro 12.9”, all running the latest iOS

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Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:38 pm Post

Ah, okay, I haven’t tried it out yet. So if you export from Index Card 4 to the v3 format and open that file in a plain-text editor, do you see encoded text with formatting in it, or is it plain-text? I’d suspect it is the latter because that is how it always worked in the past, and that is what Scrivener expects, so if it put rich text coding into the fields you would end up importing gibberish into Scrivener when you synced.
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Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:54 pm Post

But I guess a new feature of Index Card 4 is that you can export in .scriv format. Indeed people report that you can double click on the exported .scriv file on your computer and Scrivener starts and opens the file. So, the issue is why would rich text get lost in this case, when you go back to Index Card? I guess the question is how you go back to Index Card with that file? Because I assume the .scriv format is not something Index Card can open, right? I am just conjecturing, I don't even have Index Card, but I was contemplating getting it. I guess when Scrivener exports or syncs, that's when rich text gets lost. Does it make sense?

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Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:45 am Post

Index Card can export in several formats, including Scrivener, but it can only open indexcard files.

It says in the tutorial: "Formatting you do in Index Card will be retained when you export to RTF, PDF, and Scrivener."

Scrivener exports .indexcard (v3) without formatting and not to .ndexcard (v4), which would contain basic formatting (bold, italics, underline).

I guess we just have to wait for an update of Index Card in which it can open .scriv files, or an update of Scrivener, making it exporting to the new .ndexcard format, or simply accept that we can't go back and forth with formatted text. :)
I am a user, writing non-fiction and science, using:
* Mac Scrivener 3 on a Macbook 12”, MacBook Pro 13”, and iMac 27”, running different OS.
* iOS Scrivener 1 on an iPhone 11 Pro, iPad Air 9.7”, and iPad Pro 12.9”, all running the latest iOS

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Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:45 am Post

It seems the developer of Index Card is a little loose in his definition of "sync": his own support website only lists import and export (from Scrivener) under "Scrivener sync". This despite Scrivener sync being listed as a feature on the App Store. Disappointing.

http://support.denvog.com/entries/83200 ... dex-Card-4

This is not to denigrate the app, I'm sure it's grand, just that in these days of cloud services (iCloud, DropBox, Cubby, EverNote, etc) it's reasonable to expect sync to mean sync. There are other apps that will sync document content with Scrivener, so I was attracted to Index Card because I thought it would do more. Glad I double checked the fine print after reading this thread.
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:42 pm Post

If so, the developers of Scrivener are equally loose in their definition of "sync".

You can export the content of the Draft folder to a Dropbox rtf-file, using the Sync command, and edit it with e.g. Textilus on an iPad, and then "sync" the modified rtf-file with your Scrivener project when you are back in Scrivener. Not much different from syncing with Indexcard. The only real difference is that you have to use a Collection and can't use rtf-format from Scrivener to Index Card, but that is hardly the fault of the Index Card developer.

It should be fairly simple to modify Scrivener slightly so that you can sync the Draft folder directly into Index Card v. 4 format, instead of syncing a collection into Index Card v.3 format. But then again, why bother if they are working hard with the final coding of an iPad version of Scrivener.

It should have been just as easy for the Index Card developer to allow import of *.scriv files inte Index Card, provided that Apple allows that?
I am a user, writing non-fiction and science, using:
* Mac Scrivener 3 on a Macbook 12”, MacBook Pro 13”, and iMac 27”, running different OS.
* iOS Scrivener 1 on an iPhone 11 Pro, iPad Air 9.7”, and iPad Pro 12.9”, all running the latest iOS