Octagonal paper, deceased wood, and general blather about TV

ka
katzenjammer
Posts: 147
Joined: Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:19 pm
Location: Boston

Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:40 pm Post

Happy New Year to you and all in turn!

Eiron wrote:I personally think it's high time that much of the puritanical reaction to sexual swear words went the same way as our grandparent's objections to religious ones.

Actually, I'm against the modern rage against taboo - what's the fun in the thing if it's not forbidden? And what will we use for swearwords if they go the way of "Zounds"?

I like the Doctor especially, and how he's in on everyone's secrets and trying so hard to do the right thing: very friar-like, that.

The other thing I'd say about the swearing is, I wonder why Milch - at least in the first season - didn't individualize the swearing a little, use it to build characters differences, etc: surely Calamity Jane and the whores and Swearingen would not use the exact same swear-word over and over and over again? It actually has a comic effect after a while. I can see what he's trying to do though - and it's already falling alway a little bit and revealing stronger characters.

btw, I wouldn't move to Sardinia if I were you Eiron: yeah, it's pretty and all that, and those traditional harvest festivals are nice, not to mention the Latinate Italian, but they word count like nobodies business over there. The c*cks*ckers.

cr
cruxdestruct
Posts: 117
Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:45 pm
Contact:

Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:46 pm Post

What cocksucker says we can't use 'zounds' right now? or even, 'God's wounds!' They have a real nice cadence to them.

ka
katzenjammer
Posts: 147
Joined: Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:19 pm
Location: Boston

Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:10 pm Post

cruxdestruct wrote:What cocksucker says we can't use 'zounds' right now? or even, 'God's wounds!' They have a real nice cadence to them.

Yeah, right Crux! I just tried to get the local crackdealer off my front steps by saying, "Zounds! Won't don't ye git off me bloody steps!" He went into some sort of fit -- shaking, spitting and smiling. I'm not sure, but I think he may have been laughing at me.

Maybe Eiron has a point after all though: had I told him off in my best & crudest, he may well have shot me. Eiron saved my life! Come to think of it: if all swearwords were defanged and laughable, perhaps we'd have a shot at world peace. Hail Eiron!

User avatar
Eiron
Posts: 452
Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:01 pm

Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:00 pm Post

Glad to serve. Next time the dealer shows up, just tell him to Frak off. Who knows? You might just strike up a friendship with a Battlestar Galactica fan.
It would indeed be a shame if language lost its teeth, but I'm just saying that 50 years after the availability of the pill, it's high time sexuality itself stopped being seen as the great taboo. Don't we have better things to be afraid of? And that way we'd put both ends of the spectrum out of a job: the puritanico-hypocrites and the rapper-pornographers.
What we need is new swear words. I can just imagine Louise telling our children: "Don't call Daddy a luddite dear, it's very rude"
Good call on the Doctor/Friar connection. I played Lawrence in University and yet failed to see the similarity - Doh. Guess i was focusing on the Dickensian parallels.
I was similarly surprised by the uniformity of the swearing in Deadwood. It does seem like a missed opportunity to individuate the characters. Yet it also binds the "wild" elements in the camp together and sets them them apart from the more "civilized" elements that start to arrive in later episodes.
One of my favourite moments in the series is when a whore and a miner are standing uncomfortably exposed on a sunlit sidewalk - I don't remember what they're waiting for. They avoid looking at each other, but after a few moments awkward silence, each is forced to acknowledge the other's presence in public with this simple, calm exchange:

Trixie: Fuckin' Ellsworth
Ellsworth: Fuckin' Trixie

Back to work,

E

P.S.: Fuckin' Sardinians

ka
katzenjammer
Posts: 147
Joined: Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:19 pm
Location: Boston

Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:21 pm Post

Like you I'm sure, while watching Deadwood I kept catching various and many stray bits of cultural DNA - Shakespeare and many others - and especially, as you say, from Dickens: the proliferation of characters is rather breathtaking (I'm re-reading Copperfield aloud to my girfriend every night, so the parallels were immediate to me...) On the cultural DNA bit, I'm a bit of a weirdo here as in other ways, I love spotting bits of our literary past in anything I watch; I even see stuff in The Simpsons. :o

Eiron wrote:And that way we'd put both ends of the spectrum out of a job: the puritanico-hypocrites and the rapper-pornographers.

What? And send thy southernly neighbor spiralling into recession...?

User avatar
alexwein
Posts: 1063
Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:30 pm
Platform: Mac
Location: Ashland, Oregon, USA
Contact:

Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:28 pm Post

I am still trying to figure out how to get Planet Earth. It seems there are two versions? I can get one from the 80s on Amazon. I can get one from 2006 on Amazon in the UK. I can get neither from the library. I want to see it! I love Attenborough's work.
Inspiration is for amateurs...the rest of us just show up.
-Chuck Close
http://alexandriapallas.com

User avatar
AmberV
Posts: 24424
Joined: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:30 am
Platform: Mac + Linux
Location: Ourense, Galiza
Contact:

Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:35 pm Post

alexwein wrote:I am still trying to figure out how to get Planet Earth.


Have you checked at Magrathea? I hear they try to keep a spare copy floating around.
.:.
Ioa Petra'ka
“Whole sight, or all the rest is desolation.” —John Fowles

User avatar
Eiron
Posts: 452
Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:01 pm

Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:45 pm Post

It's the 2005-6 and unavailable via official channels outside the UK, I'm afraid. They simply didn't have the technology to film half this well even a few years ago. If you'd like a little more detail try hereand here. Well worth the trouble. You could always order from Amazon UK and play it on your computer. VLC ignores region settings.
Must stop procrastinating and get to work.
E

I hear the Magrathea build, like ours, is quite buggy.

User avatar
Eiron
Posts: 452
Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:01 pm

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:26 pm Post

Never did find 15 storeys, but I'm cringing thru season 1 of Ricky Gervais' Extras. Very funny and far too familiar.

E

User avatar
KB
Site Admin
Posts: 20902
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:23 pm
Platform: Mac
Location: Truro, Cornwall
Contact:

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:46 pm Post

Extras is pretty good, though the second series is a little too self-indulgent and up-and-down.

Myself, I'm watching Deadwood now. Bought the first season and have so far watched the first three episodes. Excellent stuff, though so far it hasn't hooked me quite as much as Battlestar Galactica or Firefly did, but I'm guessing it has yet to hit its stride. Fantastic characters, though - although I looked on imdb the other day and was gutted to see that Keith Carradine only lasts four episodes, meaning only one more. C***sucker.

Best,
Keith

P.S. Did we already mention Peepshow? To me, that is one of the best British comedies of the past few years. Far more cringe-inducing than Extras or The Office. It's about two guys who live in a flat, one in a 9 to 5 job who loathes life, the other who's a bit dim and wants to be a DJ. The whole thing is shot from the characters' PoVs, as though you are looking through their eyes and you can hear what they are thinking while others are talking. It is *brilliant*. Mainly because of Mark's stream of self-loathing and the way you recognise the most excruciating thoughts as ones that have passed through your own head but which you would never, ever tell another human being. Ever. If it's available where you are, check it out.

User avatar
Eiron
Posts: 452
Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:01 pm

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:14 am Post

Just wait. It just keeps getting better. I rewatched season 1 recently and realized that it took the show a while to hit its stride. Season 2 is brilliant - especially McShane, whose character evolves much more than is usual on TV. Carradine is good but I can't say I missed him.

Extras makes me laugh out loud but is curiously painful to watch as well. Some people can't tolerate violence or crudity on TV, what I find hard to take is people embarrassing themselves; Extras has me hitting the pause button every now and then out of sheer pain.

E

just saw your P.S. I'll give peepshow a peek. Thanks.
Watched a couple more episodes of Extras and I see what you mean. Amazing how quickly it got formulaic and a bit annoying.
Last edited by Eiron on Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:23 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
alexwein
Posts: 1063
Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:30 pm
Platform: Mac
Location: Ashland, Oregon, USA
Contact:

Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:57 am Post

Just got the first disc of the first season of Deadwood from Netflix. Looking forward to watching it!!
Inspiration is for amateurs...the rest of us just show up.
-Chuck Close
http://alexandriapallas.com

User avatar
Eiron
Posts: 452
Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:01 pm

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:21 am Post

I'd love to hear what you think, Alex; but give it a few episodes before forming an opinion. It an actor/character based drama and it does take while for them to fully flesh out the complexities.

E

User avatar
alexwein
Posts: 1063
Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:30 pm
Platform: Mac
Location: Ashland, Oregon, USA
Contact:

Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:34 pm Post

Thanks, Eiron. I understand. I love shows like this. The last one I found I loved this much was Firefly, which lasted only one season. But my favorite show of this sort--with characters and stories that grew and were always consistent and became so real--was China Beach. I loved those characters!

So my husband and I are very excited about Deadwood. I will definitely give it time to grow on us. :)

Alexandria
Inspiration is for amateurs...the rest of us just show up.
-Chuck Close
http://alexandriapallas.com

ho
howarth
Posts: 177
Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:53 am

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:16 pm Post

Shows that grow on you, and characters as well: I highly recommend "Foyle's War," about a police inspector on the English south coast (Hastings) during WW II. The period details, casting, and lead (Michael Kitchens) are near-perfect. Five series are available on DVD.