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Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:55 am
by Jaysen
Now I am not known as an optimist. As a matter of fact most pessimists consider me to be gloomy and make them (the pessimists) seem like optimists. So as I have unpacked and set up my sparkly new MBP13 and prepared for my edumacation I have been pondering the potential waist of money no present on my desk. Do we recall he last time Apple Corp was devoid of Mr Jobs? Has anyone heard the name of a single persona within Apple that would prevent a similar demise?

As a non-fan-boy I pay very little attention to the corporate news. I prefer Apple products because the
• work
• work consistently
• work for the non-IT people in my house
• work for me as a full on IT dork-geek-nerd-basementslug

So given that Apple, at the hight of it innovative popularity, suddenly plateaus (what's been new since the three year old iPad) as Jobs suddenly declares "Im a goner", what hope is there for the improvement of the platform? Are we looking at the next "IBM, Windows, or even work, Sun Microsystems? What Hope does Apple have of inspiring the kind of creativity that produces scrivener if it can not find the arrogant SOB who will refuse to put license plates on his car, fire people in an elevator for no reason, then hire some one in the lobby because of a glimpse of ingenuity.

Steve was an Ass. But he was Apple. Can someone talk me down off this ledge? KB, do they tell you guys something that says "there is a future here that is more than just maintaining the dumbest common denominator (iOS)"*?

I'm done. Thanks for laughing at me.

* Sorry IOS developer. I know why folks want it and I see its value. I simply find it repugnant for some reason.

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:52 am
by druid
1. Get yourself an iPad.
2. Grab a jug of juice.
3. Turn up the Wi-Fi
4. Watch a movie, maybe True Grit or It's a Great Life
5. Read a book, maybe Bill Gates' I'll Cry Tomorrow
6. Check out the Scriv forum, send a few salty responses.
7. End the evening with Johnny Cash or Bob Dylan.
8. It don't get no better than this.
9. Lights out.

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:06 pm
by Fluff
......................................CBT?

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:51 pm
by Jaysen
listen multi identity cat. I see your traitorous nature and you make no effort to hide it.

That was a joke. Sorry. Detox on the narcs this week. Not going well so far.

I get why people use/buy/lemming-to windows. I told my mother to get a windows box. Do we think that apple has the collective clout to survive a Job-less streak that has no possible end?

That and I kind of lament the , in the bill had to pay to maintain my dignity.

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:59 pm
by ptram
Apple has been a very innovative company during the 12 years SJ was out (just think to the multimedia revolution and the Newton, just to name the two most notably ones). Probably it will be for the additional 12 years without him (being a Buddhist, there is no reason not to believe he will soon reapper under a different shape).

SJ had a leadership genius that will not be replaced, and in the long term this will be the real problem. Maybe they should look at the younger genius growing in the universities: the new SJ will not appear as an aged executive manager, but as a young rule-breaking anarchist.

Paolo

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:09 pm
by Wock
(1) Steve left a plan for the next 5 years on product ideas so the magic path is still there.

(2) Tim Cook has been CEO and running things for over a year now.

(3) The rumors of "Apple TV" are one of the hottest tech talks in Vegas.

(4) Apple's idea of dropping the "computer" in their name now fits with the "devices" they are creating. They want the "living room" and the "social aspect" of devices. (iPads for media, magizines, books, etc - iPhones for texting, talking, video communications, Apple TV for a household central "hub", iTV? (Actual TV) for Display and living room communications. Air Play, Bonjour, WiFi, and AirDrop for home networking between devices and not just computers. iCloud to access networked media across devices.

(5) When Apple beat out Google, Microsoft, and Exxon to become the number 1 company in the world investors started to finally realize that Apple is not just a hiccup in the tech sector but is a savvy business machine. The idea became very apparent when people realized that Apple had more CASH and marketable securities than the US American Government had on operating cash balance. (July last year)
http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... bt-ceiling

So in other words Investors are comfortable putting their money in Apple now even after Jobs death.

(6) iOS developers and Android (Java) developers are in a HUGE demand right now. (App developers.) Windows 8 is also supposed to see a lot of HTML 5 and Java in development as well.

"Apps" are here to stay. We are moving away from "pcs" and now towards "smart devices" for many functions. The phone and tablet are the hotbed for development now and TV apps are starting to come around (smart TVs). Many developers develop first on iOS (more lucrative) then port over to Android Market. (Android and App Store 2 biggest) THere are also other "app" stores popping up that are benefiting from the iTunes/iPod/iPhone/iPad mentality (There's an app for that).

(I know iOS may seem faddish but the base idea is there. A light development for low powered devices that works well with a richer development of faster devices (OSX on full blown cpus)

So no I don't think it's fully tied to Steve Jobs anymore. I think Tim Cook will do a good job (He has so far) Tim has the experience to see the Apple Vision is carried forth


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Cook
Cook is credited with pulling Apple out of manufacturing by closing factories and warehouses around the world. This helped the company reduce inventory levels and streamline its supply chain, dramatically increasing margins.[5] In January 2007, Cook was promoted to COO.[6]

Cook served as Apple CEO for two months in 2004, when Jobs was recovering from pancreatic cancer surgery. In 2009, Cook again served as Apple CEO for several months while Jobs took a leave of absence for a liver transplant.

In January 2011, Apple's Board of Directors approved a third medical leave of absence requested by Jobs. During that time, Cook was responsible for most of Apple’s day-to-day operations while Jobs made most major decisions.[7] Following the resignation of Jobs, Cook was made CEO of Apple Inc. on August 24, 2011.[8][9]

Cook also serves on the board of directors of Nike.[10]:

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:13 pm
by kewms
ptram wrote:SJ had a leadership genius that will not be replaced, and in the long term this will be the real problem. Maybe they should look at the younger genius growing in the universities: the new SJ will not appear as an aged executive manager, but as a young rule-breaking anarchist.


And there is no chance that a Fortune 100 company -- any of them, not just Apple -- will put a young rule-breaking anarchist in charge. The only way people like that get to run companies is when they start them.

Which is why IBM and AT&T are no longer the most important tech companies in the world.

Katherine

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:10 pm
by bargonzo
Fluff wrote:......................................CBT?


Which definition of CBT are you suggesting applies here?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cbt

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:20 pm
by Fluff
FILTH!! But what can you expect from an ex-Oregoneon wannabe hill billy?! tch!tch!tch!
Fluff :oops:

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:44 pm
by Wock
bargonzo wrote:
Fluff wrote:......................................CBT?


Which definition of CBT are you suggesting applies here?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cbt



We uns learned us dat dis CBT yous speakin of is actually

BBS


Which is short for Blue.......

Wells you gits de idear.

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:19 pm
by AdamD
Wock wrote:(1) Steve left a plan for the next 5 years on product ideas so the magic path is still there.

The one thing that won't happen is a mercurial figure barging into meeting rooms demanding certain things of entire product lines (e.g. no Flash), and having the clout to get his way. Maybe.

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:45 pm
by Jaysen
Wock wrote:(3) The rumors of "Apple TV" are one of the hottest tech talks in Vegas.
I have one that is several yeas old on my entertainment system now. So you are proving my point. Newton... the iPhone as in infant, died in its cradle because Steve wasn't there to market it. Vegas is nothing more than a pile of dip sh*ts feeding eacho other lines trying to drive their stock up. Ignore them just like a local politician.
{quote="Wock"]
(4) Apple's idea of dropping the "computer" in their name now fits with the "devices" they are creating. They want the "living room" and the "social aspect" of devices. (iPads for media, magizines, books, etc - iPhones for texting, talking, video communications, Apple TV for a household central "hub", iTV? (Actual TV) for Display and living room communications. Air Play, Bonjour, WiFi, and AirDrop for home networking between devices and not just computers. iCloud to access networked media across devices.
[/quote] So where's the NEXT innovation. Every single one of these things has actually been around LONG before Steve figured out how to make it sexy. And it was Steve.
Wock wrote:(5) When Apple beat out Google, Microsoft, and Exxon to become the number 1 company in the world investors started to finally realize that Apple is not just a hiccup in the tech sector but is a savvy business machine. The idea became very apparent when people realized that Apple had more CASH and marketable securities than the US American Government had on operating cash balance. (July last year)
http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... bt-ceiling
And so the death peal begins. With no A-Hole emperor beating the slaves we are left subject to the whims of the market. kewms and I may agree on this one thing with no single area of compromise (I think this is a first for us is it not?).

I work for a company that has had many 5 year plans in place post CEO replacement. None of them made it 6 months. I can only hope for the best but as I will always to I will plan for the sky to come crashing down on my head.

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:48 pm
by AmberV
So where's the NeXT innovation...


Fixed that for you. :)

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:12 am
by Jaysen
AmberV wrote:
So where's the NeXT innovation...


Fixed that for you. :)


Thank Ioa-iffer

Re: Apple's future

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:07 am
by Sin
Wock wrote:(3) The rumors of "Apple TV" are one of the hottest tech talks in Vegas.


I wasn't so impressed with the prototype.

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