garpu wrote:Hrm. My response wasn't intended to be an OS war. It's deeper than that.
Remember when schools first got computers? For us, it was the Apple IIE (PR#6!) There was this shiny sense of newness, of possibility. Then when computers had a graphical interface, it was as if this huge frontier had opened. Now? I don't get that sense of wonder anymore. If you think "Apple" or "Windows," you have a real good idea of what they brand, even down to the smell in the boxes (for Apple). there's nothing new anymore, know what I mean? (Well, perhaps the 3D chocolate printer. I want one of those.)
No OS-wars here.
But I think the real point is a total shift in the concept of computing. A fellow student in my college at Cambridge was the first person I met who mentioned "computer". He was reading Computer Science or whatever it was called at the time, programming something the size of a house using a tape feed. One day in 1965 I met him literally bouncing down the street with something in his arms. I asked him what made him so happy, and he said he'd just succeded in getting his program on the university computer to run, and this bundle of printout was the result ... a listing of all the possible combinations of the letters in the word "orchestra", and he was on his way back to his room to see which of the combinations were words of English ... he'd already spotted "cart horse".
My first contact with computers came in the late 70s, using a BBC micro in the Polytechnic of Central London, and rapidly graduating to using it as a terminal on the UNIX server, printing out by doing a "cat" piped to a local 9-pin printer. A few years later, I was using a PC as a terminal on the VAX network using vi to hand code my handouts in LaTeX. I loved it, and then, when I got an original Atari Jackintosh, I installed Emacs, LaTeX and TeX, so I produced my handouts on that, to produce postscript files to transfer to the Macintosh SE with an Apple laser printer which had appeared in the Faculty's photocopy room. Gradually, I started working directly on that Mac, basically the only person who used it, as I realised that I could save myself a lot of work that way ...
Since then, although I still have hankerings to go back to LaTeX, and read the MMD forum with interest, I value my time, even when procrastinating, and an operating system that just gets out of the way and gets on with it is what I want. Windows doesn't do that for me ... and in various employs and circumstances I've had to use Windows, and I've always found it frustrating. Maybe it's because the Mac system has become ingrained. I certainly don't want, as an early contributor to the Linux thread said she wouldn't want to be without, "a system that I have to beat into submission". I read the forum, thinking, perhaps I should move over to Linux, it'd be like back to my Unix and Emacs days ... and then I see what you're all having to deal with with your various distros and think "No, I don't want that!"
So I'm like Jaysen, really ... though perhaps less concerned about where Apple's going as I'm not as deep into things technical as him. Though what I would do if Apple really moved entirely to iOS ... but perhaps by then I'll be too old to really care.
But then, on the other side, there are those like me who have had some contact with computers since they became generally available — no I didn't have a Spectrum, a Commodore 64, an Amiga, my own BBC Micro ... and no, I've never learnt to program as I've had no need — but I do feel I understand a bit about what's going on under the hood. However, the vast majority of people these days using "computing devices" don't have that and don't want to. They just want to have a box that is either good to look at, or not entirely offensive to them, which runs a system which does what they think they want, running the apps they think are important to them ... and for the rest they don't care, forget it. Linux doesn't fit with that attitude. For that vast majority, it boils down to a choice of OS-X or Windows and increasingly iOS or Android; so it's users of those that dominate this forum.
Then there's another thing ... this is the Scrivener forum. Scrivener started out Mac-only, so there are thousands of Mac-users; then last year the Windows version appeared and seems to have a growing number of users; then Linux users started trying to get the Windows version to run under Linux, and Lee kindly started making changes to enable compiling to a version for Linux, but that clearly needs a lot of getting it to work from the users ... to which end you have contributed greatly. But very few Windows users have ventured outside the "comfort" of the Windows forum into the sometimes murky depths of other parts of this site, and of the Linux users, you are the only one that I can think of.