Apple's future

User avatar
Jaysen
Posts: 6150
Joined: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:00 am
Platform: Mac + Windows
Location: East-Be-Jesus-Nowhere SC, USA

Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:55 am Post

Now I am not known as an optimist. As a matter of fact most pessimists consider me to be gloomy and make them (the pessimists) seem like optimists. So as I have unpacked and set up my sparkly new MBP13 and prepared for my edumacation I have been pondering the potential waist of money no present on my desk. Do we recall he last time Apple Corp was devoid of Mr Jobs? Has anyone heard the name of a single persona within Apple that would prevent a similar demise?

As a non-fan-boy I pay very little attention to the corporate news. I prefer Apple products because the
• work
• work consistently
• work for the non-IT people in my house
• work for me as a full on IT dork-geek-nerd-basementslug

So given that Apple, at the hight of it innovative popularity, suddenly plateaus (what's been new since the three year old iPad) as Jobs suddenly declares "Im a goner", what hope is there for the improvement of the platform? Are we looking at the next "IBM, Windows, or even work, Sun Microsystems? What Hope does Apple have of inspiring the kind of creativity that produces scrivener if it can not find the arrogant SOB who will refuse to put license plates on his car, fire people in an elevator for no reason, then hire some one in the lobby because of a glimpse of ingenuity.

Steve was an Ass. But he was Apple. Can someone talk me down off this ledge? KB, do they tell you guys something that says "there is a future here that is more than just maintaining the dumbest common denominator (iOS)"*?

I'm done. Thanks for laughing at me.

* Sorry IOS developer. I know why folks want it and I see its value. I simply find it repugnant for some reason.
Jaysen

I have a wife and 2 kids that I can only attribute to a wiggle, a giggle, and the realization that she was out of my league so I might as well be happy with her as a friend. 26 years marriage later, I can't imagine life without her. -Me 10/7/09

Image

dr
druid
Posts: 1721
Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:29 pm
Platform: Mac, Win + Linux
Location: Princeton NJ, USA

Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:52 am Post

1. Get yourself an iPad.
2. Grab a jug of juice.
3. Turn up the Wi-Fi
4. Watch a movie, maybe True Grit or It's a Great Life
5. Read a book, maybe Bill Gates' I'll Cry Tomorrow
6. Check out the Scriv forum, send a few salty responses.
7. End the evening with Johnny Cash or Bob Dylan.
8. It don't get no better than this.
9. Lights out.

User avatar
Fluff
Posts: 1522
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:48 pm
Platform: Mac + iOS
Location: On the Astral Plane with Pangur bán

Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:06 pm Post

......................................CBT?
Sent from Pangur ban's Astral iPad

User avatar
Jaysen
Posts: 6150
Joined: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:00 am
Platform: Mac + Windows
Location: East-Be-Jesus-Nowhere SC, USA

Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:51 pm Post

listen multi identity cat. I see your traitorous nature and you make no effort to hide it.

That was a joke. Sorry. Detox on the narcs this week. Not going well so far.

I get why people use/buy/lemming-to windows. I told my mother to get a windows box. Do we think that apple has the collective clout to survive a Job-less streak that has no possible end?

That and I kind of lament the , in the bill had to pay to maintain my dignity.
Jaysen

I have a wife and 2 kids that I can only attribute to a wiggle, a giggle, and the realization that she was out of my league so I might as well be happy with her as a friend. 26 years marriage later, I can't imagine life without her. -Me 10/7/09

Image

User avatar
ptram
Posts: 956
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:43 pm
Platform: Mac
Location: Recanati, Italy

Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:59 pm Post

Apple has been a very innovative company during the 12 years SJ was out (just think to the multimedia revolution and the Newton, just to name the two most notably ones). Probably it will be for the additional 12 years without him (being a Buddhist, there is no reason not to believe he will soon reapper under a different shape).

SJ had a leadership genius that will not be replaced, and in the long term this will be the real problem. Maybe they should look at the younger genius growing in the universities: the new SJ will not appear as an aged executive manager, but as a young rule-breaking anarchist.

Paolo

User avatar
Wock
Posts: 2540
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:09 pm
Location: Gallatin, Tennessee (USA)
Contact:

Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:09 pm Post

(1) Steve left a plan for the next 5 years on product ideas so the magic path is still there.

(2) Tim Cook has been CEO and running things for over a year now.

(3) The rumors of "Apple TV" are one of the hottest tech talks in Vegas.

(4) Apple's idea of dropping the "computer" in their name now fits with the "devices" they are creating. They want the "living room" and the "social aspect" of devices. (iPads for media, magizines, books, etc - iPhones for texting, talking, video communications, Apple TV for a household central "hub", iTV? (Actual TV) for Display and living room communications. Air Play, Bonjour, WiFi, and AirDrop for home networking between devices and not just computers. iCloud to access networked media across devices.

(5) When Apple beat out Google, Microsoft, and Exxon to become the number 1 company in the world investors started to finally realize that Apple is not just a hiccup in the tech sector but is a savvy business machine. The idea became very apparent when people realized that Apple had more CASH and marketable securities than the US American Government had on operating cash balance. (July last year)
http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... bt-ceiling

So in other words Investors are comfortable putting their money in Apple now even after Jobs death.

(6) iOS developers and Android (Java) developers are in a HUGE demand right now. (App developers.) Windows 8 is also supposed to see a lot of HTML 5 and Java in development as well.

"Apps" are here to stay. We are moving away from "pcs" and now towards "smart devices" for many functions. The phone and tablet are the hotbed for development now and TV apps are starting to come around (smart TVs). Many developers develop first on iOS (more lucrative) then port over to Android Market. (Android and App Store 2 biggest) THere are also other "app" stores popping up that are benefiting from the iTunes/iPod/iPhone/iPad mentality (There's an app for that).

(I know iOS may seem faddish but the base idea is there. A light development for low powered devices that works well with a richer development of faster devices (OSX on full blown cpus)

So no I don't think it's fully tied to Steve Jobs anymore. I think Tim Cook will do a good job (He has so far) Tim has the experience to see the Apple Vision is carried forth


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Cook
Cook is credited with pulling Apple out of manufacturing by closing factories and warehouses around the world. This helped the company reduce inventory levels and streamline its supply chain, dramatically increasing margins.[5] In January 2007, Cook was promoted to COO.[6]

Cook served as Apple CEO for two months in 2004, when Jobs was recovering from pancreatic cancer surgery. In 2009, Cook again served as Apple CEO for several months while Jobs took a leave of absence for a liver transplant.

In January 2011, Apple's Board of Directors approved a third medical leave of absence requested by Jobs. During that time, Cook was responsible for most of Apple’s day-to-day operations while Jobs made most major decisions.[7] Following the resignation of Jobs, Cook was made CEO of Apple Inc. on August 24, 2011.[8][9]

Cook also serves on the board of directors of Nike.[10]:
The wheel is turning but the hamster is still dead.

User avatar
kewms
Posts: 5288
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:22 pm
Platform: Mac

Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:13 pm Post

ptram wrote:SJ had a leadership genius that will not be replaced, and in the long term this will be the real problem. Maybe they should look at the younger genius growing in the universities: the new SJ will not appear as an aged executive manager, but as a young rule-breaking anarchist.


And there is no chance that a Fortune 100 company -- any of them, not just Apple -- will put a young rule-breaking anarchist in charge. The only way people like that get to run companies is when they start them.

Which is why IBM and AT&T are no longer the most important tech companies in the world.

Katherine
Scrivener Support Team

User avatar
bargonzo
Posts: 407
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:34 am
Platform: Mac + Windows
Location: Occupy Inferno

Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:10 pm Post

Fluff wrote:......................................CBT?


Which definition of CBT are you suggesting applies here?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cbt
Imagine this very elaborate scientific lie: that sound cannot travel through outer space. Well, but suppose it can.

Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

User avatar
Fluff
Posts: 1522
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:48 pm
Platform: Mac + iOS
Location: On the Astral Plane with Pangur bán

Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:20 pm Post

FILTH!! But what can you expect from an ex-Oregoneon wannabe hill billy?! tch!tch!tch!
Fluff :oops:
Sent from Pangur ban's Astral iPad

User avatar
Wock
Posts: 2540
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:09 pm
Location: Gallatin, Tennessee (USA)
Contact:

Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:44 pm Post

bargonzo wrote:
Fluff wrote:......................................CBT?


Which definition of CBT are you suggesting applies here?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cbt



We uns learned us dat dis CBT yous speakin of is actually

BBS


Which is short for Blue.......

Wells you gits de idear.
The wheel is turning but the hamster is still dead.

Ad
AdamD
Posts: 12
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:05 am
Platform: Mac + Windows

Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:19 pm Post

Wock wrote:(1) Steve left a plan for the next 5 years on product ideas so the magic path is still there.

The one thing that won't happen is a mercurial figure barging into meeting rooms demanding certain things of entire product lines (e.g. no Flash), and having the clout to get his way. Maybe.

User avatar
Jaysen
Posts: 6150
Joined: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:00 am
Platform: Mac + Windows
Location: East-Be-Jesus-Nowhere SC, USA

Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:45 pm Post

Wock wrote:(3) The rumors of "Apple TV" are one of the hottest tech talks in Vegas.
I have one that is several yeas old on my entertainment system now. So you are proving my point. Newton... the iPhone as in infant, died in its cradle because Steve wasn't there to market it. Vegas is nothing more than a pile of dip sh*ts feeding eacho other lines trying to drive their stock up. Ignore them just like a local politician.
{quote="Wock"]
(4) Apple's idea of dropping the "computer" in their name now fits with the "devices" they are creating. They want the "living room" and the "social aspect" of devices. (iPads for media, magizines, books, etc - iPhones for texting, talking, video communications, Apple TV for a household central "hub", iTV? (Actual TV) for Display and living room communications. Air Play, Bonjour, WiFi, and AirDrop for home networking between devices and not just computers. iCloud to access networked media across devices.
[/quote] So where's the NEXT innovation. Every single one of these things has actually been around LONG before Steve figured out how to make it sexy. And it was Steve.
Wock wrote:(5) When Apple beat out Google, Microsoft, and Exxon to become the number 1 company in the world investors started to finally realize that Apple is not just a hiccup in the tech sector but is a savvy business machine. The idea became very apparent when people realized that Apple had more CASH and marketable securities than the US American Government had on operating cash balance. (July last year)
http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... bt-ceiling
And so the death peal begins. With no A-Hole emperor beating the slaves we are left subject to the whims of the market. kewms and I may agree on this one thing with no single area of compromise (I think this is a first for us is it not?).

I work for a company that has had many 5 year plans in place post CEO replacement. None of them made it 6 months. I can only hope for the best but as I will always to I will plan for the sky to come crashing down on my head.
Jaysen

I have a wife and 2 kids that I can only attribute to a wiggle, a giggle, and the realization that she was out of my league so I might as well be happy with her as a friend. 26 years marriage later, I can't imagine life without her. -Me 10/7/09

Image

User avatar
AmberV
Posts: 23511
Joined: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:30 am
Platform: Mac + Linux
Location: Ourense, Galiza
Contact:

Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:48 pm Post

So where's the NeXT innovation...


Fixed that for you. :)
.:.
Ioa Petra'ka
“Whole sight, or all the rest is desolation.” —John Fowles

User avatar
Jaysen
Posts: 6150
Joined: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:00 am
Platform: Mac + Windows
Location: East-Be-Jesus-Nowhere SC, USA

Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:12 am Post

AmberV wrote:
So where's the NeXT innovation...


Fixed that for you. :)


Thank Ioa-iffer
Jaysen

I have a wife and 2 kids that I can only attribute to a wiggle, a giggle, and the realization that she was out of my league so I might as well be happy with her as a friend. 26 years marriage later, I can't imagine life without her. -Me 10/7/09

Image

User avatar
Sin
Posts: 801
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:05 am
Platform: Mac
Location: Georgia

Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:07 am Post

Wock wrote:(3) The rumors of "Apple TV" are one of the hottest tech talks in Vegas.


I wasn't so impressed with the prototype.

Image