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Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:13 pm Post

Scrivener. Literature & Latte.
Three words (4 with&), that says it all. Go figure!
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:26 pm Post

Scheveningen, Illiterate & Lotto? :shock:
Weird... :o
What ’bout the Scalpel?
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:41 am Post

[quote="Lunk]
What ’bout the Scalpel?[/quote]
The scalpel is in your hand .... do with it what you will.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:31 am Post

vic-k wrote:The scalpel is in your hand .... do with it what you will.

:twisted:
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:28 pm Post

It would be nice to drag KB, kicking and screaming, under the rock with us to get an actual opinion from the head turtle. Should we succeed in said dragging, the question I think we should ask...
* wrote:So Mr B, has L&L growth kind of caught you by surprise and this thing has turned into something you really didn't plan?

I think that's the question that would make a lot of folks, with complaints like mine, step nod with understanding.
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:52 pm Post

I'm seeing an uptick of activity in one of the Scrivener FB groups I'm a part of. I thought maybe some folks got Scrivener for Christmas so new people had joined, but maybe some just prefer social media? I'm rather partial to forums myself.

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Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:07 pm Post

Well, Literature & Latte sounded a little more cultured than "Books & Beer" or "Poetry and Plonk"; it also had the decided advantage that the domain name was available.

The forum certainly has changed in tone over the years, and I, too, miss the intimate atmosphere of yore - but on the other hand, I also like owning a house, so, you know, swings and roundabouts and all that. Besides, even back in the early days, there were some shouty users, and conversely, as the forum has grown we've gained some very helpful newer users (some posting in this very thread).

I think Tanith is onto something, though - I don't think it's just that Scrivener's user base has grown (although of course that has an effect on the forums); it's also that, in the fourteen years since Scrivener was first developed and the twelve since it was released (oh wow I really need to write that novel), the way people communicate online has changed. Ten years ago, Twitter and Facebook barely existed and forums were the main way of communicating online. So a bunch of people who would come here to shoot the breeze with other writers (including some established authors) now use Twitter to share their opinions and banter online.

Meanwhile, expectations have changed as we've become more established (for the first time ever I met someone at a party the other day who had heard of Scrivener - I felt like I'd made it). I can remember the exact point that happened. For the first few years of Scrivener, I would use the blog not only to write about the software, but also for random notes and diatribes about books, film and TV. That was fine when Scrivener was niche and the user base was mainly a small community. But it got to point where I blogged about how I hated the ending of Battlestar Galactica (don't go there) and received quite a few comments to the effect of "Shut up - you're a software developer and we don't care about your opinions on anything else." In other words, users had started to expect us to present ourselves a little more professionally (plus some people have really bad taste in series endings). And, although I personally prefer companies wit a little quirkiness to them, I can appreciate that expectation.

We've also learned some hard lessons over the years, of course - the main one being, Never, ever give even a remote guess about when something will be ready. Raising hopes and then dashing them, no matter how much we try not to, naturally alters the atmosphere on the forums.

Jaysen - I had a friend you used to like quoting John Lennon: "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." This would be quite apt - had I ever made any other plans. But I didn't plan any of it. I wrote a piece of software to help me, and figured I'd sell it as shareware (remember "shareware"?) in the hope of making a few quid, thinking that there might be handful of other poor souls who were after something like this too. (All this you know.) I thought I might be lucky and make, say, £200 out of it. I certainly never intended to become a software developer by trade, so it's quite fortunate that I enjoy it.

Anyway, all of those early forumites only have themselves to blame - they (you) were all clearly better at evangelising Scrivener than you meant to be!

Right, back to the hole I crawled out of now...
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:48 pm Post

KB wrote:I personally prefer companies wit a little quirkiness to them

Me too, young Kev, me too! Gynasticated fornication...yeah!!!...bring it on!!
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:24 pm Post

KB wrote:... I didn't plan any of it. I wrote a piece of software to help me, and figured I'd sell it as shareware (remember "shareware"?) in the hope of making a few quid, thinking that there might be handful of other poor souls who were after something like this too. (All this you know.) I thought I might be lucky and make, say, £200 out of it. I certainly never intended to become a software developer by trade, so it's quite fortunate that I enjoy it.

I still think you (KB not L&L because YOU are what made L&L successful) are the exact case that every entrepreneur should study.

Nobody wants my opinion either. :)
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:58 pm Post

I, for one, would support a rebranding to "Poetry and Plonk."
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:06 pm Post

"Pooks&Plonks"..? No, that would give it a Finnish accent...
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:44 pm Post

It's straight forward enough ... 's no big deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qk9o_ZeR7s

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