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mbbntu wrote:I've been using mind maps since about 1972, and I seem to have gradually trained my mind so that I can't work without them. I find that the visual positioning of things is the only way I can organise, now. I have also done this on the floor, putting pieces of paper or piles of documents in a pattern until I could see a structure. Whether or not it will work for a person depends on a multitude of factors. The human mind uses colour, space and positioning all the time, so to me it makes sense to use it for recording information, planning, writing and so forth. I can only say, try it and see. You might read anything that Tony Buzan has written on the subject. As to software, I've used MindNode, which is a nice place to start, but I now use iThoughts, which has more features. Both seem to be popular choices.
Wed May 23, 2018 3:07 pm Post
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Wed May 23, 2018 4:56 pm Post
lunk wrote:iThoughts is good for creating system, order, not for brainstorming. Scapple is better for that.
Wed May 23, 2018 7:17 pm Post
Wed May 23, 2018 8:23 pm Post
mbbntu wrote:lunk wrote:iThoughts is good for creating system, order, not for brainstorming. Scapple is better for that.
Respectfully, I have to disagree. *You* may not find iThoughts good for brainstorming...
Thu May 24, 2018 7:47 am Post
lunk wrote:Without some kind of perception of a basic structure I find iThoughts hard to use.
Thu May 24, 2018 7:52 am Post
Silverdragon wrote:Outlining before writing. Dear Heavens. I'm such a posterior aviator! It's taken me years to work out something that faintly resembles an outlining system.
I've got half a dozen books on how to outline a novel, and none of them works for me by itself. I've got the dead bodies of failed attempts from those systems littering my Scrivener projects and hard drive...
I've finally got an outlining system that sort of works for me, the key being for me to keep it loose enough that I don't feel paralysed ("Oh god I've got to do six more character analyses before I can start the three-page skeleton of my first chapter and fill in its 4x5 motivation grid... Please take me now") or that I've already written the freaking story so why bother?
I use various tech which includes pencil scribblings and whiteboards scanned to Evernote, Scrivener index cards ( which DON'T become my draft) and iThoughts mind maps. Yes maps, plural. I tried Scapple but... I like iThoughts with its pretty colours. Sue me. By the time I get to iThoughts I'm not really brainstorming -- except that I never stop brainstorming.
Most of these preliminary docs get imported into Scrivener via links..
I don't regret the time I spent faffing with all these authors' systems since it's made me a stronger writer. At this point I do (some) pre-story character development stolen from Story Genius (ordinary Scrivener docs), then I do logline, pitch (refining my character sketches accordingly) and 15 beats from Save the Cat (scribbling later refined in iThoughts and imported into Scrivener via OPML). Then I start writing (except of course I've started writing before this as cool scenes occurred to me). Sometimes I need a guide to take me from beat to beat, and I'll work up a very loose mind map in iThoughts and import it as an alias to Research. After scribbling.
Good luck on your quest for Outline. May you spend less time finding your system than I did...
Thu May 24, 2018 8:04 am Post
Thu May 24, 2018 8:49 am Post
mbbntu wrote:...you just throw stuff on the paper without thinking. It didn't matter where it went, or if the connections were "wrong". When you had got the stuff out of your head you could look at it and rearrange things.
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