Scrivener + Scapple ... writing and mapping on the same application

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Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:36 am Post

AmberV wrote:
I think the best answer is still to use Bookmarks—which does just about everything you could want from this kind of integration, that is feasible. You get a preview in the sidebar if that is what you really want, but if you want to modify or edit this thing (which evidently has no connection to any data in Scrivener and is a complete disconnected data model that has no inherent benefit in being in Scrivener) then you double-click the bookmark instead of single clicking it. :) Easy---and it works just as well for Excel spreadsheets too, or whatever else you need.


This is brilliant! I did not know really what Bookmarks were for until you mentioned them - Just tried it with a Scapple file and presto - what a great way to access mind maps! Thanks. :D

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Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:59 pm Post

AmberV wrote:You get a preview in the sidebar if that is what you really want, but if you want to modify or edit this thing (which evidently has no connection to any data in Scrivener and is a complete disconnected data model that has no inherent benefit in being in Scrivener) then you double-click the bookmark instead of single clicking it. :) Easy---and it works just as well for Excel spreadsheets too, or whatever else you need.


Thanks. I didn't realized it was possible to preview the file as is. Was I distracted or Scrivener 2 didn't have this? Anyway, thanks, I don't mind double clicking to edit the map – I was more worried by having to open it in an external program just to see its contents.

Thanks everyone!

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Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:27 pm Post

It’s a new feature in Scrivener 3. In the previous version there was something functionally similar to the top half of this pane, called “References”, but it was just a simple list at the bottom of the inspector. In this version there is now a whole pane for them, which provides enough space to show a preview of files—or if the Bookmark points to another text item inside the project, a fully-featured editor.
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Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:30 pm Post

Still haven’t got the time to check Scrivener 3 as it deserves :)

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Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:49 am Post

AmberV wrote:I think the best answer is still to use Bookmarks—which does just about everything you could want from this kind of integration, that is feasible ... then you double-click the bookmark instead of single clicking it. :) Easy---and it works just as well for Excel spreadsheets too, or whatever else you need.


This work fantastic! Combining Bookmarked Scapple maps with the Drag-n-Drop from Scapple-to-Scrivener Binder is all I needed. Thanks ! :D

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Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:51 pm Post

Hi

I'd love to be a proper writer but I'm just starting out. After a year or so creating fanfic for fan generated quests in a sandboxy space sim, I'm looking towards creating 'proper' stories. I've looked at what writing software is available and finally settled on and bought Scrivener (to replace yWriter) and am looking at Scapple (to replace Freemind).

I've enjoyed this thread, It has reminded me of the developing dialogue in many other threads covering a lot of different types of software.

These are just my thoughts ... The developers have created particular pieces of software that behaves in unique ways. It doesn't do everything some users want so they suggest changing it so that it becomes more like other existing software, even though that would require lots of effort on behalf of the developer.

Just because one developer produces two programmes I don't intuitively understand why that means they have to be completely integrated or even integrable (is that a word?). Scapple is what Scapple is, which is why I'm looking at trying it. If the suggested changes are made, then Scapple would no longer be Scapple.

Given that I would be able to drag and drop bits of info that I need at any given time between the programs I've got a work around for the problem of using both programmes together easily - I've got two monitors (monitors are cheap!) so can have four programmes open side by side.

So my request is that the developers put their efforts into completing Scrivener V3 for Windows first, given that Scapple's role is to support Scrivener rather than vice versa

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Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:21 pm Post

Thanks for the supportive comments, DaveK, and best wishes for your aspirations in branching out to other forms of writing.

P.S. I love space sims, especially those that allow for emergent narratives from the players. :)
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Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:08 am Post

I just love this thread, but PLEASE don't touch Scapple!

It's perfect the way it's working!
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:04 pm Post

For what it is worth, I have had this idea as well. In my world, I need less "extra" work and need the apps to take care of things. E.g. I use the Aeontimeline as my project management/calendar only because each "event" can automatically be connected directly to a scrivener page. Aeontimeline is just a view of what I am doing in Scrivener, it isn't an app I have to maintain or "work hard in" (except for auto accepting changes that I hope they fix soon). I don't want another app contained in Scrivener, but I do need the Scapple functionality for brainstorming and visioning that needs space and connections. Without this flexible brainstorming space, Scrivener is still incomplete.

But, instead of recreating scapple, I think allowing for a more flexible corkboard view (reduce cards to just title - they have color already), add non-hierarchical functionality (allowing access to stacks of cards in same view ) and allowing note to note visual connections (maybe just use tags (maybe bookmarks - but only if they are less cumbersome to create, I still think tags offer more flexibity the types of connections etc.) to create links that could make them even more useful outside of this view) that would keep us in a scrivener focused world while allowing us to move things around more creatively (we need a revert button though ;>). And it wouldn't require us to "recreate" our content (and every change in a Scapple-Scrivener.

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Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:33 am Post

I'm just dipping my toe into the depths of Scrivener and Scapple, so I am finding features in both programs that are bringing them closer together.

The Project Bookmark feature that shows a preview of a Scapple board is great for linking out of Scrivener, while being able to link from Scapple to individual Scrivener items is fantastic also.

In an ideal situation though, I would love to see slightly more integration, with the option to open a Scapple board in a pane within Scrivener, instead of just seeing a preview.
This way any Scapple links to Scrivener items I created could open in a split pane alongside Scapple, just as though I were working between a corkboard or outliner and an editor.
Also, I could then envisage being able to drag items from the binder onto Scapple items to create links, just as happens within Scapple now.

I don't think I would need more integration than the linking ability which is already available at present (apart from the added drag and drop features I mentioned).

Somebody asked how working on Scapple from within Scrivener is different from opening it as a link in a Bookmark?
I think the ability to have Scapple within Scrivener split panes would be exactly the same argument for why there is the ability to split between the Outliner or Corkboard and Editors in Scrivener at present.

I think there's a huge difference between linking back and forth between separate program windows, and having the ability to click on links within Scapple and have them open a Scrivener item in a pane alongside.

I love the two programs, and think they both fulfil their own specific uses remarkably well, offering solutions to two different parts of the same writing process. Now that I am learning about linking Scrivener and Scapple items together, it would seem elegant to have the option of being able to work on Scapple from within Scrivener.

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Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:39 pm Post

I would like Scapple to work from within Scrivener. It's a logical way to progress.

Till then, I'll explore bookmarks.

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Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:41 pm Post

Have you all looked at the Freeform Corkboard?

There is, in Scapple, no assumption that individual nodes correspond to scenes, chapters, or any other structural element. In my boards, at least, they usually don't. My Scapple boards are much more granular than I would want in a Scrivener project, getting down to the paragraph or even sentence level.

So the problem with all proposed schemes in which Scapple is "just another view" like the Outliner or Corkboard is that, to make that approach work, you necessarily *have* to impose connectivity between the Scapple board and Scrivener's Binder. I can't speak for Keith, but doing that would make Scapple less appealing to me, not more.

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Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:22 pm Post

As I said previously, Scapple requires its own specialised set of menus - the entire menu at the top of the screen is Scapple To have Scapple built into Scrivener, you'd need all of those menu items added to Scrivener's menu, just for that one view. That's very different from the cork board and outliner, which are just views upon folders within the binder and use the same commands. Scapple is a completely separate application.
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