[LH3264:FIXED] 2.9.0.10 a bit sluggish

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rwfranz
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:39 pm Post

I loaded one of my projects, and started working on it. Editing stuff. I noticed that loading a document the first time during a session is fairly slow. Slower than 2.9.08 was. After that first load, it becomes much quicker (which I think is due to a cache).

Not entirely sure why this is. So after using OBS to record my actions:

63 frames at 60 fps to load a 784 word document. That's 1.05 seconds.

Sluggish.

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Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:18 pm Post

Same here.

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Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:20 pm Post

This doesn't seem to be a problem for me.
I have a project that I imported from version 1.9.7. In the Draft section over 80,000 words, over 120 documents (& sub-documents), many with 2K words or more. Response in Beta 2.9.0.10 when scrolling through documents seems instantaneous. Clicking the Draft folder in outline mode takes about 1.5 seconds, but that's fine. Clicking a document group that has many subdocuments - in outline mode - is nearly instantaneous.

Scrivener Beta 2.9.0.10
Windows 7 Home Premium
Pentium i5
8GB RAM

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Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:32 am Post

SteveCarterFrogstory wrote:This doesn't seem to be a problem for me.
I have a project that I imported from version 1.9.7. In the Draft section over 80,000 words, over 120 documents (& sub-documents), many with 2K words or more. Response in Beta 2.9.0.10 when scrolling through documents seems instantaneous. Clicking the Draft folder in outline mode takes about 1.5 seconds, but that's fine. Clicking a document group that has many subdocuments - in outline mode - is nearly instantaneous.

Scrivener Beta 2.9.0.10
Windows 7 Home Premium
Pentium i5
8GB RAM


Interesting. I've got a 100k word document, and it takes over a minute for outline mode to display for the Draft folder.

Windows 10
AMD Ryzen 1600
16GB RAM
Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti
Plenty of HD space.

I wonder what the difference is?

Because if you're not experiencing this delay (and it's new for me; I did not see this in 2.9.0.8), and others are, there must be some difference.

Mind you, once I've clicked on a document, and then clicked on another document, clicking back on the first document is nearly instantaneous.

<thinking...>

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Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:18 am Post

I fixed some of the sluggishness. I uninstalled Scrivener. Physically deleted everything remaining in the Program Data directory. EVERYTHING. For some reason, uninstalling 2.9.0.8 did not remove the entirety of that directory. Not sure why. But it didn't, not even the directories it itself had installed.

Then I reinstalled.

Mind you, it's still a bit sluggish, but not as bad as before. Now, a document of 5k words takes well under a second to pop up, but the delay is still noticeable (at least to me).

This also seems to have significantly reduced the delay in outline view and the Binder.

Not sure why. Shouldn't have made any difference.

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Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:21 am Post

I have a 380K word project that opens in just a few seconds, after which I experience no noticeable lag or delays (except when compiling :) ). It's made of text documents running from 500 to 6000 words each (most are 1300-2300) in a 3-deep folder hierarchy.

System is:
Windows 10 Home, version 1803
i7-6700K with Z-170 chipset,
16GB RAM,
GeForce GTX 1080,
Samsung 950 Pro 256GB NVMe SSD.

When I updated from 2.9.0.8, (to .9 nd then .10) I just used the in-program update function.

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Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:56 am Post

I was about to post a separate message but came across this.

The version 2.9.0.10 is slow. It will come up with "Scrivener not responding". This is after importing a large test novel.

Each scene i press goes in to "sand timer mode" and so i have now deleted the project and will start again.

I am using a 64 bit laptop - Samsung;

4gb RAM;

Quad core processor 1.4 GHz - AMD.

128gb SSD hard drive.

Good luck with the fixes and look forward to buying the final product.

Thank you.

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Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:29 pm Post

Hi guys, you are all correct that the new version is loading documents a bit slower than the previous one. We also noticed this. We could not solve this on time for the release as we were concentrated mostly on polishing the page view mode, which was a big effort to get it working properly. We know what is causing the delay and will optimize it for the next release. Hope that the initial delay although noticable will not bother you much until we fix this.

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Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:26 am Post

tiho_d wrote:Hi guys, you are all correct that the new version is loading documents a bit slower than the previous one. We also noticed this. We could not solve this on time for the release as we were concentrated mostly on polishing the page view mode, which was a big effort to get it working properly. We know what is causing the delay and will optimize it for the next release. Hope that the initial delay although noticable will not bother you much until we fix this.


2.9.0.11: It's quite a bit better, I think, but the delay in loading longer documents is still noticeable.

Up to somewhere around 2000-2500 words in a document, the delay is negligible. More than that, and it becomes noticeable, and it seems to depend on how many long docs are in the project. Not sure why.

I'm seeing delays of perhaps 1/2 to 3/4 of a second to load a long document (5500 words, just now). I think that's probably acceptable, but, of course, faster would be better.

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Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:57 am Post

Glad you have noticed the speed improvements, rwfranz. In some cases we got 5-10 times faster loading times, compared to v2.9.0.10. To speed up the loading time further, I am afraid you will have to speed up your machine. ;-)

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Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:21 am Post

My main PC is Core i7-6700 (3.4GHz), 16Gb of DDR4 RAM, Samsung SSD, NVidia RTX 2070. As I would expect, Beta 11 really flies.

My 3-year-old laptop is a Core M-5Y10c @ 0.80 GHz, 8Gb RAM, Crucial SSD, Intel HD graphics 5300, Beta 11 performance is perfectly acceptable (but obviously, not as fast)

So, congratulations to the developers; major improvement!

UPDATED (12/12/18). Having used Beta 10 a bit more, I'm a bit less impressed. Again, on the PC it's fine, but on the laptop I'm getting "Scrivener is not responding" messages quite often. Especially when clicking on the title of a document in the binder or search results list; takes a very long time before the document opens.

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Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:43 am Post

tiho_d wrote:Glad you have noticed the speed improvements, rwfranz. In some cases we got 5-10 times faster loading times, compared to v2.9.0.10. To speed up the loading time further, I am afraid you will have to speed up your machine. ;-)


I'm running an AMD 1600x with 16GB of memory and multiple HDs.

I'm okay with load times at the moment. Much faster than it used to be.

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Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:26 am Post

Have in mind that if you click a document title, which loads all sub-documents in Scrivenings or Outliner mode, the load delay will be proportional to the amount and size of all documents and sub-documents that need to be loaded. If you have a project, which causes "Scrivener not responding", please email it to "tiho at literatureand latte.com" with steps to reproduce the issue and I will be happy to have a look at it, guys.

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Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:45 am Post

Dear tiho_d -- I could send you the project if you wish, but it opens eventually (and quickly on my faster computer), so I don't think the problem is with the project file -- it's simply that (in Beta 11 at least), Scrivener seems to require a pretty powerful PC to respond quickly.

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Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:59 pm Post

Indeed your laptop CPU spec above at 0.80 GHz is a typo, I hope or not? Any 3 year old laptop CPU including the M series should be faster than 0.8 GHz I believe :-).
When comparing Scrivener v1.9 and v3 Beta 11 performance, it should be the same or even faster in favor of v3 Beta 11. Obviously loading huge documents or multiple documents at a time on a slow computer will always show noticeable delays. If you spot any significant Scrivener delays, without any explanation, please let us know, JJE. Providing a reproducible example always helps a lot.