Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:39 pm Post
Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:03 pm Post
Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:39 am Post
Ldee wrote:Is this a bug? or
Is this a feature where Scrivener has to be different?
Since the Finder update only happens when Scrivener/Mac opens/syncs the project, one gets the impression that Scrivener/Mac actually PULLS down the latest version from the Dropbox servers, rather than opening it from my local hard drive.
As far as I know, Dropbox PUSHES (automatically downloads) the new synced version of a file from its servers to one’s computer and automatically updates the Last Mod date in the Finder.
2 The file list in the Dropbox dropdown menu on the Mac is also problematic. Some issues:
a) When Dropbox finishes syncing it tells us in a small window how many files were changed. But when I look at the list of files in the dropdown menu I can only count always a fewer number of files than I was just told.
c) The Dropbox dropdown menu usually lists files like binder.autosave, recents.txt, search.indexes, and several others, but sometimes what I imagine would be the main project file (.scrivx) is missing, not listed. Confusing and alarming. Is there a good reason for Dropbox listing all these constituent files, for us, non-techie users, but not the main “package”?
My question is: is any of the above normal behaviour? If not, where are the problems likely to be: in Dropbox, in Scrivener, or in my computer?
3 I wake up my iPad and open Scrivener. The sync icon appears for a short time. The “need to sync” icon does not appear on any of my projects. I go to my MacBook and look in the Finder. The dates and times are different for the same project (!) even though both the iPad and the Mac Finder (green checkmarks) say they are synced.
Is something wrong? or
Would the dates change and get the same only after actually opening the project, either on the iPad or on the Mac? or
Is this normal, showing the latest saved dates even if the file was not changed?
Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:40 pm Post
Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:50 pm Post
Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:38 am Post
Ldee wrote:Why does this worry me? Because with all other apps, the finder updates itself without me doing anything, without running the apps.
In other words, using the above scenario, when I go to my Mac on Monday at 10:30 or so, the file's date already shows Monday 10:23, not Sunday's date and time. This is a nice feedback, and a comforting assurance that the file on my hard drive is the latest version.
This is the question: is Scrivener different from other more standard, simpler apps? Does Scrivener insist on getting the latest version from Dropbox only when one actually launches Scrivener? (As opposed to other apps that allow Dropbox to transfer the latest version of a file without using those apps)
Another way of putting it: is the file version on my Mac indeed still the one that was synced Sunday, or is it actually the latest Monday version, in spite of the "wrong" date in the Finder?
Why is this confusing and possibly very important? Suppose Monday afternoon I take my Mac to a park to work. There is no internet in the park. I notice that Project A is still dated Sunday, but I know I edited it on the ipad Monday morning and synced it to Dropbox. So if the time stamp is reliable, I won't open the project to avoid a conflict. But if that date can be safely ignored, then I am all set to open it and have the latest version and have no sync conflicts.
Pull and push may be a terminology issue. Of course, I assume my computer initiates the check with the Dropbox server to see if there are any new files on the server that are not yet pulled-pushed down to the local hard drive. I got the "push" feel from the other apps because the "pull" was invisible, the other apps didn't need to even run (i.e. I didn't see them "pull" or get a file) for Dropbox to put the latest versions on the computer.
Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:42 am Post
Ldee wrote:So I am asking, naively perhaps, how reliable are the time stamps, can I use them as a kind of assurance that the files are properly synced? My trust in these time stamps have been severely shaken recently, not in connection with Scrivener, then I started looking at the time stamps of the Scrivener files as well, and found the discrepancies I described in my first post, and so I decided to ask the forum for help and information.
Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:03 am Post
Ldee wrote:This is the question: is Scrivener different from other more standard, simpler apps?
Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:29 pm Post
Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:48 am Post
Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:22 am Post
Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:28 am Post
mikehalloran wrote:Ok, the documentation on syncing with iOS through Dropbox is clear as mud. That’s ok, I figured it out: first, sync the Mac, Next sync iOS. Done that way it works. This simple direction would end a lot of the confusion.
My question: Is there a way for me to create a document in iOS, say, on my iPad and then work on it on my iPhone without working on it on my Mac in the mean time? I can’t see a way.
Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:22 am Post
lunk wrote:Yes, if both are set up to look in the same Dropbox folder, both will see the same projects.
I think the principles and the documentation is crystal clear. If you do the tutorial on the iPad and pay attention to all it says, the Dropbox syncing is super easy. I got it to work the first time without problems and it has worked perfectly ever since.
If you try to take shortcuts, you may very well end up in disaster. ...
Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:42 am Post
mikehalloran wrote:I’m a long tme user of Scrivener — only the iOS version is new to me. Not sure how much I like it and am hoping it will integrate nicely with Scrivener 3 — got my upgrade money and am waiting to spend!
Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:59 am Post
mikehalloran wrote: I went through the instructions again and found those for syncing just as muddled.
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