Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:55 pm Post
Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:23 pm Post
TXT import: imports as one chunk, even when ticking separate into separate items.
Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:10 pm Post
AmberV wrote:That should be working, but you have to tune it to work with the file you’re importing. There is no such thing as a node in a text file, of course, so you need to check on what is being used to separate them (it might even just be one single carriage return) and then supply that into the separator field.
By the way since you have Scrivener, you can already turn .mm and .opml files into objects that can be imported into Scapple. It’s not something you’d want to establish as a workflow obviously, but using a quick temporary project to populate the binder with nodes and then drag and dropping those nodes into a Scapple board could be viable for some types of work that aren’t too heavily dependent upon hierarchical or visual states to express themselves fully. I’m not sure what that would give you over a text file though.
As for why Scapple itself doesn’t do that: it was a scope+expectation decision. Despite the superficial similarities, the underlying concept of how data is organised differs from mind-mapping software, to the point of being considered conceptually incompatible—like turning a text file into an image, you could do it, but you’ll lose what it means to have text. So given that conceptual limitation, along with the whole “this is a cheap utility meant to replace scratch paper”, it didn’t make sense to pour a lot of time into mind-mapping integration that would ultimately not even satisfy most people, who would mistake it for direct compatibility. As noted above, this approach wouldn’t provide a whole lot over what a simple text file with separators can already do.
Might not always be that way, to be clear—but even if we do put a lot of time into this, you shouldn’t expect it to be very clean or something you could round-trip.
Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:06 am Post
Anything, hierarchical or relationships between nodes or ANYTHING would be good. Not just import a txt chunk or a big pdf as a tiny graphics, both useless.
That should mean those import functions should have been built into Scapple too, which is the natural app for them. Can not understand why they are not supported in Scapple too, their natural home!
Even Windows Paint app which has been around for ovewr 30 years does that. But that is not how scapple is marketed and described.
Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:15 pm Post
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What is Scapple?
Scapple is an easy-to-use tool for getting ideas down as quickly as possible and making connections between them. It isn’t exactly mind-mapping software—it’s more like a freeform text editor that allows you to make notes anywhere on the page and to connect them using straight dotted lines or arrows. If you’ve ever scribbled down ideas all over a piece of paper and drawn lines between related thoughts, then you already know what Scapple does.
Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:43 pm Post
washere wrote:For sanity's sake, if we asked sane tech literate people what is: "make notes anywhere on the page and to connect them using straight dotted lines or arrows"? What do you think they say? If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck and walks like a duck, it is what is, a mindmap, as many posts here testify mentioning mindmap functions of scapple. Text nodes connected as required via lines. In fact the choice of straight dotted lines or arrows as it officially says makes it a hardcore super-duper extremist hardlined evangelical advanced form of a mindmap. As Seinfeld said to George "Not it? That is the definition of it!". I beg you lets stop this and get back to reality, lets not pretend to be mindmap deniers. Text nodes connected by lines, sp. various line forms, is a mindmap.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:41 pm Post
kewms wrote:I'm not the one demanding that the developers include functionality that is directly in conflict with Scapple's underlying philosophy, you are.
The problem with an "imperfect import" is that half a solution is worse than none. The people who never wanted to import OPML files in the first place won't care, while the people who did will scream about the inevitable conflicts between what they wanted and what they got. Scapple still won't satisfy the people who want "real" mindmapping, and so you'll get significant development effort and significant support load for very little user benefit.
Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:41 pm Post
Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:10 pm Post
kewms wrote:Scrivener is not Scapple. The two programs have different goals. The fact that OPML import is supported in Scrivener (which *does* use hierarchical structure) is irrelevant to the question of whether it should be supported in Scapple (which does not).
The gentleness and reasonableness of users who do not get what they want is not always evident in our support queue, or in this forum.
Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:20 pm Post
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