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Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:16 am Post

As a beneficiary of the Scapple Beta who hasn't been able to contribute a software issue, I thought that the least I can do is to say that I think it is a fantastic tool.Because the programme doesn't impose (or imply) hierarchies (which to me was always an issue with mind-mapping software), it gives the user an immense sense of freedom in structuring and linking. Although this is only a statement of the obvious to those who use it, the more complex benefits of the programme which are being developed through testing may also blind us to that bit of genius (the ability to assemble things in a non-hierarchical way) which is to my mind the essence of Scapple. So really, this is no more than to say 'thank you' for software that I value enormously.

All the best

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Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:58 pm Post

This may have nothing to do with Scapple, but this is the first time I cannot open a zip file the usual way.
I had to force the built in utility out and resort to the unarchiver to open the file at last, and to tell the truth ( yes, I'm paranoid) I'm slightly worried about this. And I haven't started the app yet.
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Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:08 pm Post

dchw: Thanks for the testimonial on how well it has worked for you! I’ve consistently had the same problem with mind-map style programs for the same reason. My brain just needs a bit more freedom in the mixture to get ideas out of the realm of pure thought.

robin2022: Could you open up the Console application in your Applications/Utility folder and try extracting the .zip file again, then copy and paste any relevant system messages? One other thing to try: you mentioned that .zip has always worked before, but have you tried another .zip file recently? It is possible for Archive Utility to get jammed up (it does not clean up after itself very well).
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:45 am Post

robin2022: Could you open up the Console application in your Applications/Utility folder and try extracting the .zip file again, then copy and paste any relevant system messages? One other thing to try: you mentioned that .zip has always worked before, but have you tried another .zip file recently? It is possible for Archive Utility to get jammed up (it does not clean up after itself very well).[/quote]
You are correct, the utility presently cannot open any zip file, and the frisbee wheel keeps turning. I tried the console as you requested, but I am completely unable to spot out which part is relevant.
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Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:42 am Post

Hi,

The beta version of Scapple is proving to be incredibly useful - thanks for a simple yet effective piece of software that just does the job, well, and without fuss. Really excellent.

I have no bugs to report - just a question (and apologies if this has already been addressed elsewhere): we're coming to the end of the beta version (28th Feb). I'm looking forward to buying a license but I've not seen any mention of a final version yet. What's the plan just now? Will the beta license be extended or will a full version be released at the end of the month?

I'm only asking as this software is proving so very useful to me that I'd hate so see it become inaccessible after the 28th!

Many thanks.

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Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:59 am Post

I just found another great new Scapple use. I have been looking (Googling) everywhere for good timeline software to help planning which scenes happen when.

Reading about and testing a number of miserable programs and some good ones just frustrated me.

Even the best ones were too restrictive, imposed their way of doing things, and/or required too much detail. Worst of all, they were ‘one thing more’ – distraction instead of help.

Enter Scapple. Blindingly simple once it occurred to me. I begin each event note with the year it takes place. Since my dependent events already had arrow connections this gave me the only additional info I needed. I can drag the notes into as precise a timeline as I need to help me write.

Kudos to Scapple!
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Alan

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Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:03 pm Post

robin2022 wrote:You are correct, the utility presently cannot open any zip file, and the frisbee wheel keeps turning. I tried the console as you requested, but I am completely unable to spot out which part is relevant.


Here is a thread on Apple's forum that may be of help:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/43 ... 0&tstart=0

Short version: it looks like most people had success by repairing permissions and then rebooting the computer. It appears both steps are necessary.
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Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:25 am Post

AlanReynolds wrote:Here is a thread on Apple's forum that may be of help:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/43 ... 0&tstart=0

Short version: it looks like most people had success by repairing permissions and then rebooting the computer. It appears both steps are necessary.


Thank you ! It did work... (though only the second time)
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Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:06 pm Post

I have the latest Scrivener and Scapple betas and try to drag Scapple notes into Scrivener - but it doesn't work. I can't drag one or more notes into the binder, whatever folder I try, also I cannot drag the notes into a free form cork board. I know that this was possible in earlier Betas. What do I do wrong? What is the trick?

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Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:13 pm Post

The internal dragging formats have changed to allow for the introduction of background shapes in Scapple, so you will have to wait for the next update of Scrivener to get this working again (out later this week).
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Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:45 pm Post

Pity if the window dressing gets in the way of core functionality. But if you can fix it within a few days, who am I to complain. Completely in love with Scapple anyhow. Keep up the good work!

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Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:57 pm Post

I don't follow you - what do you mean by "window dressing getting in the way of core functionality"? Background shapes are hardly "window dressing" - they have been the most-requested feature. Nothing has broken at all, and I updated Scrivener internally with the new code at the same time as updating the Scapple code; I just haven't released that version of Scrivener yet. This is a beta, so you should expect inconveniences along the way. If you prefer to have everything running smoothly from the get-go, you should wait for the release version.

Thanks for the kind words!

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Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:13 pm Post

KB wrote:Thanks for the kind words!

All the best,
Keith


Thank you! Love the background shapes BTW. Just a gruff and quirky Swede that believe that Less is More.

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Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:18 am Post

MimeticMouton wrote:
jmm wrote:I attach captures of the outcomes of the distribute/auto-fit functions in Scapple

It looks like what you want is to select the notes and choose Align > Left Edges, then Distribute > Vertically.


Have you tried what you recommended me? The second image from top to bottom is the outcome from doing just that in Scapple: it is rendered unusable! The ones on the left are a few authomatic layouts from yEd. I would really like to use a simpler app than yEd but it must have better automatic outputs than Scapple has now. I hope the image helps to make this point clear.
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Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:04 am Post

These commands do exactly what you would expect them to do (the same as in Curio), so I'm a little confused as to what you are expecting or how you are going about things. If yEd works better for your purposes, you should of course continue using it, though.

All the best,
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