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Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:03 am Post

jje wrote:Thanks. I hadn't thought of that. I'm going to do a little research to see if there's something really simple that integrates with Dropbox and can read/write .rtf files without converting them to something else. (Ms Word, for example, takes ages to load the files, even though I've made them available offline, and then insists that I save a copy before I can edit them, so that's a non-starter.)


Try JotterPad.

You would be able to export as *.rtf (but not to save; only *.txt *.fountain, *.md, *markdown are available). This seems a pretty good option.

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Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:58 pm Post

lunk wrote:
jje wrote:Drafts looked promising but it doesn't actually open or edit rtf files, so it doesnt really work. I will keep looking.


Scrivener’s ScratchPad isn’t .rtf, it’s .txt, so it does work. I have my ScratchPad folder in Dropbox, so if I want to edit a file saved from my Mac (each entry is a .txt file) I simply open the Dropbox app on my iPad, locate the file, tap ... to get the Export menu, and then choose Open in... and select Drafts.

Modifying the project files, using Sync with external folder, is something else.

This must be a difference between Windows and Mac, I think, because the Windows Scratchpad files do appear to be in .rtf format.

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Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:00 pm Post

The OP mentioned the decline in sales and production of Android tablets. I am typing this reply on a Chromebook, which now has the ability to use Android apps. So in my use case, I would be delighted to use Scrivener either as a Chrome extension or as an Android app.

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My thoughts are to bypass an all out Android App and develop a web based app. Is it possible that both Windows and Android devices could use a fully functioning web-based app? Chromebooks, for example, seem to be trending more towards using the browser or instant apps rather than downloading and installing apps. I know Amazon also has their own version of web-apps that I believe handles the cross platform issues for you?

I'm a long time Scrivner adopter (07/2009) and while Macs are cool and all, for some people a Mac is not totally compatible with their digital lives anymore (me). I personally find Apple overpriced and behind the curve on hardware.

I use ChromeBooks for most mobile tasks and an Android phone for the balance of mobile tasks. Would it be possible to move away from platform specific versions and create a web-based app that could be used on any platform including through any browser on a mobile phones?

I'm very interested to check out Scrivner 3.0 but if I look at my future it is either Android/ChromeOS or strictly cloud web apps. As previously stated, there is a deficit of alternative softwares and so one would think a good place to expand.

Just my thoughts, thanks.

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jdash52 wrote:My thoughts are to bypass an all out Android App and develop a web based app. Is it possible that both Windows and Android devices could use a fully functioning web-based app? Chromebooks, for example, seem to be trending more towards using the browser or instant apps rather than downloading and installing apps. I know Amazon also has their own version of web-apps that I believe handles the cross platform issues for you?


Chrome OS was originally designed to be *entirely* web-based, with no local applications at all. So the existence of *any* local applications indicates a trend *away* from that web-based origin.

As a writer, I will tell you that I have no interest whatsoever in writing software that *requires* an internet connection to use it or to access my data.

As a representative of L&L, I can't speak for Keith, but I can tell you that the question has come up before, and it is not at all clear that the benefits to us or to the users justify the enormous technical investment that would be required.

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Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:27 pm Post

While it's not the scratchpad, have you looked into the "Sync with External Folder" setup on individual projects? There's a plain text option that would bypass the lack of RTF editors on Android, You could just have a single, project-specific "scratchpad" document in each project, which would sync with an external folder on whichever cloud service you wanted to use (since it's not directly part of a scrivener project, it wouldn't be subject to the issues with using services other than Dropbox).
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:02 pm Post

That would be nice indeed! In the past year I have tried to make on-the-go progress of my outlines with the following Android apps:

- WriteOwl
- Novelist
- Character Planner

Each has its strong points and its weaknesses. Character planner is by far one of the best if it wasn't for the fact that it shows everything for ALL the stories you are working on, it does not let you work on a single project so that puts it at a severe disadvantage.

Novelist has the best userinterface but lacks stability, in particular it never saves context so if you wrote 500 words of scene description and then suddenly you got an Android popup (from another app, a phone call or whatever), or you switched orientation or temporarily switched to another app (such as a dictionary) then it happily erases all your typed words because it does not save context. And Write Owl is great too but can't bet on it, recently I clicked on a button to rename an entry and it crapped out and in doing so it corrupted its own database and I lost a couple of weeks of work.

Would love to have a Scrivener for Android that could integrate with the desktop version to sync certain data even if it iss just one way sync.
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:31 pm Post

Just in case you want a user's perspective, here is a detailed review of one of the apps I mentioned in my earlier reply.

https://lordofthings.wordpress.com/2017 ... y-planner/
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:46 am Post

jje wrote:Since posting I have been doing some research and, to my surprise, there really is a gap in the market here. There doesn't seem to be a simple .rtf editor for Android...


There used to be more rtf on ios and android in the past. Many people have realised that formatting/style should be separated from content. This is why markdown and multimarkdown and other markup languages are seeing so much success. I very rarely use any form of RTF word-processor. All my text is plain text with markup. This means they are small in size and editable anywhere. I doubt a fully featured RTF editor would have much success these days. People have realised that most RTF based editors are proprietary format and this limits the freedom of your text.

I would suggest learning multimarkdown (very easy) (http://fletcherpenney.net/multimarkdown/). This would free you to use any text editor on any system. Although Scrivener supports RTF, I fail to see it's value as Scrivener by design separates the content from the style. The end product in Scrivener is determined by the compiler. I appreciate when coming from a word-processor background that plain text can feel daunting, but once you get past this it's really enjoyable and freeing!

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jdash52 wrote:...and while Macs are cool and all, for some people a Mac is not totally compatible with their digital lives anymore (me). I personally find Apple overpriced and behind the curve on hardware.


I would agree with your sentiments. I've been on macOS since 2007, but just recently moved to Android (hence viewing this thread). I think LL would do well to ensure that Scrivener is available on Android.

kewms wrote:As a writer, I will tell you that I have no interest whatsoever in writing software that *requires* an internet connection to use it or to access my data.

Katherine


I totally agree. The internet has become a very unfriendly place, hacks and ransomeware, etc. Not everything should, or more specifically needs to be online. There are sufficient online repositories such as Dropbox, Google drive, Onedrive to make sharing text easy. I have also found that web based software always tends to be subscription based which I abhor.

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<svs> wrote:I would suggest learning multimarkdown (very easy) (http://fletcherpenney.net/multimarkdown/). This would free you to use any text editor on any system. Although Scrivener supports RTF, I fail to see it's value as Scrivener by design separates the content from the style. The end product in Scrivener is determined by the compiler. I appreciate when coming from a word-processor background that plain text can feel daunting, but once you get past this it's really enjoyable and freeing!


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I do not understand why people insist on demanding that a program change to meet their prejudices. "Hey, mate, I love your work, but you need to change everything that makes it what it is." That's not praise, that's not respect, that's just rude.

Scrivener works the way it does because KB wanted a tool that works this way and put the time in to make it happen. Full stop. He made a lot of design decisions that flouted the fads of the time and he continues to flout the fads as time marches on. He has a unique vision for what Scrivener should be. Some of us dinosaurs like the fact that Scrivener uses RTM files as its base. Whether on Windows or Mac, if something goes wrong with a project, I can recover my text using system tools (no third-party editors required) and *see my formatting during the whole process*. I can directly cut and paste into other word processors and editors and have my formatting carry across. If I need Markup, Scrivener will produce it for me via Compile. (In fact, Compile is so powerful, I can produce Markup, LaTeX, HTML, and more just by using the right toolchain.)

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Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:07 pm Post

Jotterpad works well as a bridge between android and scrivener. Should serve all your basic writing needs. The biggest drawback is not having the folder structure, so navigating to a text on large projects can be a pain. But for simply creating different that will sync automatically when you get to your computer and which you can then pour into your structure, it's perfect.

I looked around for a good while before I settled on that one.

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latinmusePTY wrote:That would be nice indeed! In the past year I have tried to make on-the-go progress of my outlines with the following Android apps:

- WriteOwl
- Novelist
- Character Planner

Each has its strong points and its weaknesses. Character planner is by far one of the best if it wasn't for the fact that it shows everything for ALL the stories you are working on, it does not let you work on a single project so that puts it at a severe disadvantage.

Novelist has the best userinterface but lacks stability, in particular it never saves context so if you wrote 500 words of scene description and then suddenly you got an Android popup (from another app, a phone call or whatever), or you switched orientation or temporarily switched to another app (such as a dictionary) then it happily erases all your typed words because it does not save context. And Write Owl is great too but can't bet on it, recently I clicked on a button to rename an entry and it crapped out and in doing so it corrupted its own database and I lost a couple of weeks of work.

Would love to have a Scrivener for Android that could integrate with the desktop version to sync certain data even if it iss just one way sync.


Hi, I'm the developer of Novelist. I don't know if I have the right of doing that, but since it's an answer to a review I don't think it can be classified as spam. Anyway, Novelist now supports state save and restore, so no more text losses (I hope eheh).

Best regards!

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Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:43 am Post

@Katherine

Is there a link to the scratch solution and how to set up?