nontroppo wrote:Orpheus wrote:I would prefer to be writing than tracking down software bugs.
Honestly: don't use Zotero. You get what you pay for, and Zotero is free/open source. I do use Zotero to maintain a shared reference list with one collaborator, but it is painful to use compared to Bookends. Bookends was released in 1984(!!!), yet still gets monthly updates by a super supportive developer, Jon. Bookends fully supports extracting annotations from the PDFs it manages — AND you can use Applescript to copy these notes (with citekeys linked to page numbers) directly into Scrivener. It does a thousand other things better than Zotero (managing keyword lists, detailed duplicate management, SQL querying, a very flexible UI, amazing format and import editor, a version for iOS with full sync, including annotations etc. etc. etc.). I see Scrivener and Bookends as critical tools for a fluid academic workflow, and each is carefully crafted by a dedicated paid developer. Most pertinently to this thread, Bookends works flawlessly with Scrivener. Or if you really want to save money, probably take some time off writing, learn to code, and contribute to build a better Zotero...
 Zotero is currently going through a major transition. V5 broke most tools that were built for V4, but V5 is itself transitional. Firefox killed its extension system, and therefore Zotero will have to completely rewrite everything for V6. Most bits of the Zotero ecosystem were built by volunteers, who have other commitments and this will impact how fast we get the tools to work. And as Keith mentions, "This is still in early stages of development, so proceed with caution when using this in a production application." is not a tempting prospect for a developer like Keith.
Thank you for your thoughts. Much appreciated. I had already installed Bookends before reading your post but am now more encouraged to learn how to use it and get a workflow going between Scrivener and Bookends so I can just focus on writing and not fiddling with niggling software quirks. I just want it to work.
If it is half as good as you say it is then it would be cheap at twice the price. I like Scrivener so much that even though I bought it I would like to give them a donation for having such good software and support.
I am curious regarding Bookends and PDFs. With Zotero it makes a duplicate PDF and puts it in a separate dBase rather than just making a link to the original. I don't like that. I have a large number of PDFs (20,000 +) that I organize into my own library according to topics and I would prefer that the software just uses an alias to find and access the PDF rather than taking up disk space by making duplicates.
Also can you recommend any good tuturials for Bookends?
Is there a separate group on Scrivener for Bookend users?
I have even considered Endnotes. How is that in comparison to Bookends? I also just downloaded a copy of Endnotes, Papers, and ReadCube.
I just want to something that works out of the box.
Now I am going to uninstall Zotero.