Zotero integration please!!!

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Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:40 am Post

I want to state for the record that I REALLY like Scrivener - it's totally changed the way I write, definitely for the better. But I just have to go on record - the fact that there's not pluggin for Zotero is TOTALLY INSANE! You could completely replace Word for me if you wold just integrate this ONE feature. I know that software development is a difficult and time-consuming process, but I would happily pay $15 dollars more for this feature.

I know that a number of other people have developed workarounds for this, but I really don't have the time to learn and implement these, and it just seems like Scrivener is closing itself off to a much greater market if it would implement this ONE crucial feature.

Please, for the love of god, integrate a zotero pluggin!!! :D

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Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:16 am Post

yes, please add the zotero!!
I am a grad student, and I am using scr to write thesis. It a great tool to collect sources and write thesis. If scr can support zotero, it will be perfect!

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Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:57 pm Post

You can already use Zotero with Scrivener. Scrivener projects aren't a final format, so you scan and process your citations once you have compiled to RTF or ODT, using the Zotero tools. I don't believe there are any Cocoa or Objective-C APIs available for Zotero that would make closer integration possible.

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Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:41 pm Post

I've found a workaround that fits the bill for me. It does require some post-processing, so it isn't as nice as something like Bookends integration, but it does the job. (This is a Mac workflow.)

I use the Zotpick applescript to insert Better BibTex citations into Scrivener, then I use PanDoc to process it into a final manuscript. Basically I followed Dave's instructions here: http://davepwsmith.github.io/academic-scrivener-howto/

What I end up with is a keyboard-command–accessible citation picker that can insert into Zotero however I please. I end up composing in Markdown and exporting to Word (not my fave, but that's the format my committee would rather read, so whatever), and because I keep everything in Scrivener, it can easily be rearranged according to my structural/hierarchical needs.

For me, this is a superior option to the RTF/ODF Scan http://zotero-odf-scan.github.io/zotero-odf-scan/, because of the ability to have an easy keyboard command citation search. It's also nice that Zotpick and Better BibTex integrates with Pandoc, because I can use Markdown and integrate with pretty much any output format. (Although if I were lazier and actually liked Word, RTF/ODF Scan might be a better option-- you can save from LibreOffice/OpenOffice to Word and preserve Word-style reference marks.)

Hope this helps!

And yes, it would still be totally excellent for Scrivener to support this natively. I surmise that Markdown made it into Scrivener because of direct support from a developer; maybe that's what would be needed for some kind of native Zotero integration to happen with L&L.

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Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:25 pm Post

I use Zotero with Scrivener for all of my projects. It's actually incredibly simple. When writing, simply copy citation from Zotero, insert in text. Then when you export as RTF (if you do) you can format in Word. I realize everyone doesn't use Word (I'm an older professor, writing articles and books in Scriv) but I can't imagine that it's that much more difficult with some other final processor. Am I missing something?

I don't love Zotero, btw, but I've found it to be the most efficient and seamless way to gather and download cites and PDFs from multiple sources. For working academic, this seems pretty essential.

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Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:20 pm Post

ampalecek wrote:I've found a workaround that fits the bill for me. It does require some post-processing, so it isn't as nice as something like Bookends integration, but it does the job. (This is a Mac workflow.)

I use the Zotpick applescript to insert Better BibTex citations into Scrivener, then I use PanDoc to process it into a final manuscript. Basically I followed Dave's instructions here: http://davepwsmith.github.io/academic-scrivener-howto/

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Unfortunately this tool doesn't work in Zotero v 5

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Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:23 pm Post

LewF wrote:I use Zotero with Scrivener for all of my projects. It's actually incredibly simple. When writing, simply copy citation from Zotero, insert in text. Then when you export as RTF (if you do) you can format in Word. I realize everyone doesn't use Word (I'm an older professor, writing articles and books in Scriv) but I can't imagine that it's that much more difficult with some other final processor. Am I missing something?

I don't love Zotero, btw, but I've found it to be the most efficient and seamless way to gather and download cites and PDFs from multiple sources. For working academic, this seems pretty essential.


Could you give a more detailed explanation of what you are doing? What is your work flow?

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Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:31 pm Post

KB wrote:You can already use Zotero with Scrivener. Scrivener projects aren't a final format, so you scan and process your citations once you have compiled to RTF or ODT, using the Zotero tools. I don't believe there are any Cocoa or Objective-C APIs available for Zotero that would make closer integration possible.

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Are there and detailed instructions of videos on how this workflow?

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Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:37 pm Post

It's actually incredibly simple. The trick is you have to have Zotero default output set to "RTF Scan." Then just go to Zotero, command-shift-C the cite you want and paste it. Then you output your Scriv file to RTF, and scan it with Zotero.

It's well explained here (although this is a Windows oriented video but basic steps are the same).
http://thedigitalresearcher.com/how-to- ... scrivener/

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Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:43 pm Post

LewF wrote:It's actually incredibly simple. The trick is you have to have Zotero default output set to "RTF Scan." Then just go to Zotero, command-shift-C the cite you want and paste it. Then you output your Scriv file to RTF, and scan it with Zotero.

It's well explained here (although this is a Windows oriented video but basic steps are the same).
http://thedigitalresearcher.com/how-to- ... scrivener/


What I have been doing as a work-around so far is to use Zotero with MS word, when I need a citation I make it in Word then copypaste it into Scrivener. I have yet to export it to see what happens but I don't anticipate any problems.

However I will try this method that you recommend. I had seen it before. No harm in trying it on a small project or just doing an experiment document to see what kind of output it gives. Kind of reminds me of what I did when I used Biblioscape.

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Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:51 pm Post

Well, it's actually just as easy as using Word, I think (I use both). You are just copying a citation from Zotero and pasting it into Scrivener. Whatever reordering or rewriting you do, it's all in place when you do your RTF export. It's really only an extra step at the very end.
If I'm missing something let me know and I'll try to respond.

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Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:07 pm Post

LewF wrote:Well, it's actually just as easy as using Word, I think (I use both). You are just copying a citation from Zotero and pasting it into Scrivener. Whatever reordering or rewriting you do, it's all in place when you do your RTF export. It's really only an extra step at the very end.
If I'm missing something let me know and I'll try to respond.


I think that your method may be better because after exporting it to RTF and doing a scan that everything in the exported Word Document will be connected to Zotero so that if you want to change your styles etc it will work. I will not want to change styles, but it would certainly be useful for creating a bibliography at the end. So will just have to follow the steps in that video and give it a try.

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Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:46 pm Post

LewF wrote:Well, it's actually just as easy as using Word, I think (I use both). You are just copying a citation from Zotero and pasting it into Scrivener. Whatever reordering or rewriting you do, it's all in place when you do your RTF export. It's really only an extra step at the very end.
If I'm missing something let me know and I'll try to respond.



Well I just tried an experiment. I made a document just a page with 5 paragraphs of Lorem ipsum text and then using the method described in the page you linked to I made several citations and then made a bibliography at the end. I then exported it as a rtf and then used Zotero's RTF scan tool and even though it is only 1 page with 5-6 citations on it and bibliograpgy after more than 15 minutes it has not finished the scan. So that suggests to me that something is very wrong. Or, that I did something very stupid. I could send you the page and you can check to see what I did wrong. It is only 44kb in size.

So unless you can tell me what I did wrong and get it to work I will stick with my slightly more cumbersome method which works. I am glad I tested it otherwise I would have a document full of unusable citations.

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Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:05 pm Post

Could a Zotero user please explain exactly what it is that you would want from integration with Scrivener? I mean in a practical manner - you can already to use Zotero to insert citations and then scan the exported RTF or ODT file, so what would integration provide over this and what would you it do?

I'm interested in exploring options but I'm not a Zotero user and so it would be very helpful if someone could break down exactly what integration would entail. What would happen in Scrivener? How would it look? What commands would it entail?

As far as I understand it, the problem is that you would still need to scan your final file, wouldn't you? I can't see that there's any auto-magic that would avoid this during Compile. So what exactly is meant by "integration"?

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Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:41 pm Post

Keith,
I use both and have the same question. Other than scanning (which as a Scriv user you have to do anyway) what else is there? Word has a little tool bar that allows you to click and insert a citation, but you still have to select it in Zotero. The difference between just selecting the citation, copying and pasting it in RTF format, and clicking on the toolbar is minimal to nil. Then your citations are there in Scrivener, and you export, but, again, if you are a Word user, you need to export anyway. So I really don't understand what integration would mean here, other than a little toolbar.
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