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European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:05 pm
by pedrober
I am a newcomer to Scrivener. I write in different European languages with stressed vowels (Portuguese, Spanish etc.). The system keyboard, at this moment, is the Spanish one. Then, for example, to get an acute a (á), I press the accent first (´), because it acts as a dead key, and, then, the vowel (a). In Scrivener, the result is "´a" instead of "á" a lot of times, but not always. Keep in mind that this problem doesn't appear with the other installed programs in my mac. Any suggestion?

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:02 am
by kewms
What other programs are you using?

Mac Scrivener uses the Mac OS text system, which it shares with TextEdit. Microsoft Word, on the other hand, uses a different system supplied by Microsoft.

Katherine

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:32 am
by matsgz
There is a bug that I think that Keith et al. are conscious of and will solve one day. If it works like on my Mac, the bug pops up when I'm writing in Scrivening mode AND the Inspector is open. It might be the same on Windows.

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:41 am
by pedrober
Thank you very much for your answer. Before purchasing Scrivener, most of my writing was done with Aquamacs. Anyhow, no problem with Textedit or Libreoffice. I don't use Microsoft Word. In Scrivener, the only heavy customization I am using is a home made "dark" theme: turquoise text on black background. I believe it's a matter of time between the dead key and the vowel pressings but I don't know.
I am using an i7 Macbook Pro.

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:43 am
by pedrober
Yes, the inspector is open. I'll close the inspector and I'll report.

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:22 am
by pedrober
No relationship with the bug referred by Matsgz. Interesting discovering: if I slow down my typing speed (more, even a long time between both key pressings), no problem. Any suggestion?

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:53 pm
by pedrober
More information: when I press the "dead" key, Scrivener outputs a small yellow box waiting for the next key. This doesn't occur in any other installed program.
If it's impossible to solve this problem, Scrivener is not usable for me (or any other serious typist).

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:36 pm
by kewms
What version of OS X do you have?

Are you writing standard text, or in scriptwriting mode? Are you using any keystroke expanders? Automatic spellchecking? We've encountered a similar issue with some Asian languages, where the more different applications are "watching" the text, the more of a pause there can be in the generation of complex characters.

Katherine

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:48 pm
by pedrober
Thank you very much for your message.
I am using Mavericks. I started from a General Non Fiction template and, then, I am writing standard text. No keystroke expanders at all. I have switched automatic spellchecking off but it doesn't make any difference.
System input sources are set to Spanish-ISO, but the op sys language is English.
Are you able to reproduce the behaviour I have outlined? I really like Scrivener but it's impossible to work in European languages without solving this issue.

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:01 pm
by pedrober
I forgot to mention I have been playing with Key Repeat and Delay Key Repat params in System Preferences without success. I have also switched Scrivener language from English (my usual choice) to Spanish without any improvement.

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:58 pm
by ScriverTid
The yellow box you refer to is the standard Mac behaviour when you use 'Alt + a letter' to generate an accent. For example, to get á

1. I press "Alt e" - this generates a yellow box with the ´ accent inside it
Alt + e.png
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2. I then press "a" and this generates "á"

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:13 pm
by pedrober
I don't use the Alt key to generate an accent. I use the dead key available in Spanish ISO keyboard (´) and, afterwards, I press "a". So, the yellow box doesn't appear in other programs, only in Scrivener.

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:41 pm
by ScriverTid
Is it the same yellow box as shown above? If so, could Scrivener be treating your 'dead key' as if it's the Alt/Opt key?

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:19 pm
by pedrober
Yes, it is.

Re: European stressed vowels problem

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:43 pm
by ScriverTid
I think that's what happening then. Someone with greater knowledge than I might be able to help with how to remap your keyboard in Scrivener (I know how to add menu shortcuts, but this is something different).