Using Scrivener with Dropbox

User avatar
Cassady
Posts: 160
Joined: Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:06 pm
Platform: Mac
Location: Sqornshellous

Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:47 am Post

Silverdragon wrote:Yes, absolutely you can quit Dropbox on the Mac and it will behave the way you prefer when you turn it back on. Just to be sure, I ran a test, and it works fine. Be sure to go to Dropbox preferences and un-tick "Start Dropbox on system startup" before quitting Dropbox (and re-tick it after you start Dropbox again.)


Thanks for the prompt reply - and testing! Great to hear, can get working again now. :)

User avatar
kewms
Posts: 3232
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:22 pm
Platform: Mac

Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:27 pm Post

Cassady wrote:I guess what it boils down to, is my just checking if I can merrily write along in the ABSENCE of there being any Dropbox syncing at all, provided I only work on my Mac, without opening Scrivener on any of my iOS devices (with the latter only being done once Dropbox is reconnected on the Mac, and synced in full)?


Yes, absolutely, and in fact I recommend exactly this if your connection is known to be misbehaving.

More generally, routine use of Scrivener does not require internet access. (Well, unless you want to import web pages, of course.) Your project is always stored locally on whatever device you are currently using. Dropbox is a convenient mechanism for transferring projects between devices, but it is in no way required for use of Scrivener on a single device.

Katherine
Scrivener Support Team

Ji
JimRac
Posts: 402
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:06 pm
Platform: Win + iOS

Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:55 pm Post

Cassady, in case you're looking for a quorum, I completely agree with Silverdragon. :D

ETA: And Katherine too!
Last edited by JimRac on Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Cassady
Posts: 160
Joined: Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:06 pm
Platform: Mac
Location: Sqornshellous

Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:33 pm Post

@Katerine and @JimRac, thanks for the feedback and confirmation – good to know!

Ma
ManuelRiveraOrtiz
Posts: 1
Joined: Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:57 am
Platform: Mac

Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:03 pm Post

Dear Seller,

As much as I want to use your program to create my book—I am currently using Ulysses—the idea that I have to sync using Dropbox seems impossible for me. I am also not keep on the idea that the only other option is manually synching which would cause major confusion to any writer for whom even a simple string of words lost could mean the difference between a good novel and a great one. Dropbox is far from reliable. I have been using Dropbox for my business for some time and files go missing all the time. My staff doesn’t want to use Dropbox for the same reason and fear. iCloud is our preferential manner for storing and synching documents which is what Ulysses uses and so far, no problems on my end. I believe that adding an iOS/iCloud based backup would be very simple for Scrivener to do giving end users the option of where they want their files stored. I believe we deserve this option as consumers of your product.

I will also be writing Ulysses to consider implementing the options contained in Scrivener to Ulysses such as italic, bold and the like.

Thank you.
Manuel Rivera-Ortiz

Sc
ScriverTid
Posts: 319
Joined: Tue May 06, 2014 9:38 am
Platform: Mac

Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:28 pm Post

Are you talking about writing a book on your own, and sync'ing Scrivener files with your various devices using Dropbox? If so, I can't foresee a problem.

If, however, you're writing your book collaboratively with others, and needing to sync versions between you all, that is potentially problematic, especially if more than one of you has the project open at the same time - in which case iCloud would be just as hazardous as Dropbox.

Hu
Hugh
Posts: 2340
Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:05 pm
Platform: Mac
Location: UK

Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:25 pm Post

ManuelRiveraOrtiz wrote:Dear Seller,

As much as I want to use your program to create my book—I am currently using Ulysses—the idea that I have to sync using Dropbox seems impossible for me. I am also not keep on the idea that the only other option is manually synching which would cause major confusion to any writer for whom even a simple string of words lost could mean the difference between a good novel and a great one. Dropbox is far from reliable. I have been using Dropbox for my business for some time and files go missing all the time. My staff doesn’t want to use Dropbox for the same reason and fear. iCloud is our preferential manner for storing and synching documents which is what Ulysses uses and so far, no problems on my end. I believe that adding an iOS/iCloud based backup would be very simple for Scrivener to do giving end users the option of where they want their files stored. I believe we deserve this option as consumers of your product.

I will also be writing Ulysses to consider implementing the options contained in Scrivener to Ulysses such as italic, bold and the like.

Thank you.
Manuel Rivera-Ortiz


Welcome to Scrivener and its forums.

Before you go any further in looking at Scrivener, Manuel, it would be worth your while casting a glance at this advisory, created by the developers of Scrivener: https://scrivener.tenderapp.com/help/kb/cloud-syncing/using-scrivener-with-cloud-sync-services.

The main reason for care using cloud services, and for this advisory, is that a single Scrivener project is in fact a package of hundreds, possibly thousands, of individual files. This has several advantages. One is that if a single file becomes corrupted for any reason, it will not risk the entire project (as can happen if a single project is composed of a single file). That is of course a particular concern in the case of a project that is a book or a dissertation. But that multi-file structure does mean that certain cloud services may corrupt or even destroy a Scrivener project. Dropbox will not - and there are others as well as Dropbox that can be used for storing your live project (or holding a zipped-up project, if you are simply transferring projects between computers). So for holding your live project for editing on a desktop or transferring a zipped-up project, you are not restricted to Dropbox. If you read the posts in this or other similar threads, you'll probably find which alternative cloud services can currently work with Scrivener.

But if you're syncing between Scrivener on a Mac or Windows computer and Scrivener for iOS on an iPad or iPhone, that is a special case. Then, only Dropbox is suitable and safe (for cloud syncing). That's again because of the multi-file nature of a Scrivener package. The developer has had to custom-write extensive routines to enable syncing to work, which only work with Dropbox. (As far as iCloud is concerned, the problem is the way iCloud handles packages like Scrivener's - even though, I believe, Apple was a pioneer of using packages. Even if the developer wrote routines to enable Mac/iOS syncing on iCloud, your projects would still be at risk - though I believe that you can use iCloud for zipped-up back-ups, but I never have.)

By the way, I write as a long-time Scrivener user. In several years' use of Dropbox (I have 1 terabyte of space), I've never lost any files and my Scrivener syncing has always worked fine (but I suppose there's always "a first time").
'Listen, some quiet night, when you've shirked your work that day. Do you hear
that distant, almost inaudible clicking sound? That's one of your
competitors, working away in the night in
Paris or London or Erie, PA.'

User avatar
lunk
Posts: 1741
Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:24 pm
Platform: Mac + iOS
Location: Sweden 64° N

Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:10 pm Post

ManuelRiveraOrtiz wrote:I have been using Dropbox for my business for some time and files go missing all the time. My staff doesn’t want to use Dropbox for the same reason and fear.


Like Hugh, I have been using Dropbox for years and have never lost a single file. The only thing to check is that the upload/download to the Dropbox server is given the time needed, but that goes for all cloud services. As for iCloud Drive, I am currently in the strange situation that a whole large folder is only showing up on my iOS devices and not on my Mac's and neither on the web interface. So far, iCloudDrive is the only cloud service that has done like this for me.

User avatar
devinganger
Posts: 903
Joined: Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:55 pm
Platform: Mac + Windows
Location: Monroe, WA USA
Contact:

Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:27 am Post

lunk wrote:
ManuelRiveraOrtiz wrote:I have been using Dropbox for my business for some time and files go missing all the time. My staff doesn’t want to use Dropbox for the same reason and fear.


Like Hugh, I have been using Dropbox for years and have never lost a single file. The only thing to check is that the upload/download to the Dropbox server is given the time needed, but that goes for all cloud services. As for iCloud Drive, I am currently in the strange situation that a whole large folder is only showing up on my iOS devices and not on my Mac's and neither on the web interface. So far, iCloudDrive is the only cloud service that has done like this for me.


The only times I have lost work to Dropbox was when I was using computers with overly aggressive "anti-virus"/"security" software which silently proxy all connections, load hidden DLLs into running processes, and generally break all sorts of things. On a healthy system with a minimum of such "helpful" applications, a decent connection to the Internet, *AND THE DISCIPLINE AND PARTIENCE TO VERIFY THAT ALL SYNCS HAVE COMPLETED*, Dropbox is a thing of beauty -- one of the most robust services out there, and the one I would consider the gold standard at this point.
--
Devin L. Ganger
Devin on Earth: http://www.devinonearth.com/
Plotter on the streets, pantser in the sheets

User avatar
nontroppo
Posts: 755
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:22 pm
Platform: Mac
Location: Airstrip One

Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:08 am Post

devinganger wrote: *AND THE DISCIPLINE AND PATIENCE TO VERIFY THAT ALL SYNCS HAVE COMPLETED*


Actually although I do try to be disciplined, I do (more than I care to admit!) fail to sync as I move between three Macs and two iOS devices at work and home. Also working in China (where Dropbox is blocked), I depend on VPN which adds another layer of complexity to sync (i.e. the VPN claims it is connected but the Great-Firewall has stopped it working). AND YET, Dropbox has never ever lost a file, and Scrivener has always been able to show me which bits of my Binder and documents have conflicts. I actually really dislike Dropbox as a company, due to Political machinations a few years ago, and the current lack of customer communication for its beta and future features. But swallowing both my personal dislike of the company, and the fact its service is nominally blocked where I live, and the fact that I do not always ensure full sync, Dropbox continues to be the most reliable service imaginable...

Sc
ScriverTid
Posts: 319
Joined: Tue May 06, 2014 9:38 am
Platform: Mac

Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:48 am Post

nontroppo wrote:
devinganger wrote: *AND THE DISCIPLINE AND PATIENCE TO VERIFY THAT ALL SYNCS HAVE COMPLETED*


Actually although I do try to be disciplined, I do (more than I care to admit!) fail to sync as I move between three Macs and two iOS devices at work and home. Also working in China (where Dropbox is blocked), I depend on VPN which adds another layer of complexity to sync (i.e. the VPN claims it is connected but the Great-Firewall has stopped it working). AND YET, Dropbox has never ever lost a file, and Scrivener has always been able to show me which bits of my Binder and documents have conflicts. I actually really dislike Dropbox as a company, due to Political machinations a few years ago, and the current lack of customer communication for its beta and future features. But swallowing both my personal dislike of the company, and the fact its service is nominally blocked where I live, and the fact that I do not always ensure full sync, Dropbox continues to be the most reliable service imaginable...


I echo those sentiments. The most recent fury was over the discontinuation of the Public Folder and the subsequent breaking of 000,000's (if not millions) of links scattered over the internet.

As to the 'ensuring the completion of sync' - this was much easier to see when the menubar Dropbox icon was pale blue, and carried a rotating green arrow while sync'ing. Now, such activity is almost impossible to see on the tiny little black and white icon. I resolved this issue for myself by importing each icon into Photoshop, blowing up to maximum size, and changing them. "At rest" the Dropbox icon is a 'd' inside a square, but the "syncing" icon is a pair of eyeballs. This is REALLY easy to see.
However, due to Dropbox habit of updating its software almost on a weekly basis (WHY???), I keep copies of the amended icons so I can copy them back into place when the software automatically updates itself. The correct location is within the Dropbox app's package - its Resources folder ("dropboxstatus-idle.tiff" and "dropboxstatus-busy.tiff").

Cl
ClarkW
Posts: 2
Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:36 am
Platform: Mac + iOS

Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:06 am Post

Hi all,
I am reviving this thread in light of Dropbox's new minimum requirements for Mac OS. I imagine others share my concern that Dropbox is ceasing to support the Mac OS I am on. Snow Leopard is ancient, I know, as is my computer (2008 MBP), but the whole system runs incredibly smoothly (the laptop is maxed out on RAM, SSD and I’ve certainly never had a problem with syncing and Scrivener, as we all know, is the d's bs), so this is a real frustration, as, if I update to Dropbox’s new minimum requirement of Mavericks, everything will surely slow down (leading to a lot more of the dreaded spinning beachball), while, as things stand, it seems my ‘vintage’ status means a massive reduction in ads on the like of Youtube etc., which all in all is an exchange I am reluctant to make.
Is anyone else in this position? Does anyone know if there is a solution? Or is a hopeful update my only way, doubtless followed by a whack to the wallet?
Many thanks!

User avatar
Bridey
Posts: 189
Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:24 pm
Platform: Mac

Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:11 am Post

ClarkW wrote:Hi all,
I am reviving this thread in light of Dropbox's new minimum requirements for Mac OS. I imagine others share my concern that Dropbox is ceasing to support the Mac OS I am on. Snow Leopard is ancient, I know, as is my computer (2008 MBP), but the whole system runs incredibly smoothly (the laptop is maxed out on RAM, SSD and I’ve certainly never had a problem with syncing and Scrivener, as we all know, is the d's bs), so this is a real frustration, as, if I update to Dropbox’s new minimum requirement of Mavericks, everything will surely slow down (leading to a lot more of the dreaded spinning beachball), while, as things stand, it seems my ‘vintage’ status means a massive reduction in ads on the like of Youtube etc., which all in all is an exchange I am reluctant to make.
Is anyone else in this position? Does anyone know if there is a solution? Or is a hopeful update my only way, doubtless followed by a whack to the wallet?
Many thanks!


If you are only syncing between Macs (not iOS devices), Keith has said using iCloud is fine...

viewtopic.php?p=244405#p244405

Cl
ClarkW
Posts: 2
Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:36 am
Platform: Mac + iOS

Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:38 am Post

Hi Bridey,
Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, I am syncing Mac with iOS, which has (and will until the cut off I'm sure) worked brilliantly.

User avatar
Bridey
Posts: 189
Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:24 pm
Platform: Mac

Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:18 pm Post

ClarkW wrote:Hi Bridey,
Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, I am syncing Mac with iOS, which has (and will until the cut off I'm sure) worked brilliantly.


Ah, well.

FWIW, my 2007 MBP ran all the macOS variants up to Sierra well enough, until the keyboard gulped down a pot of yoghurt. So it *might* be worth trying an upgrade to a different flavour of macOS (before you splash any cash) as it might give you a little more life out of the machine. You can always downgrade, if necessary.