What is your favorite bibliography app to use w/Scrivener?

What is your favorite bibliography app to use with Scrivener?

Sente
15
19%
Bookends
29
38%
Endnote
12
16%
BibDesk
7
9%
Something else
14
18%
 
Total votes: 77
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nicka
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:36 pm Post

For the citation, I guess the user just has to write it manually. I can't see another way to do it, but at least all the references are there in the same format.


I don't really understand this.

The workflow is:

Maintain database of references in bibliography database software (e.g. Bookends).

Write in Scrivener. When you need a reference, press Cmd-y in Scrivener, which takes you to Bookends, choose the relevant record in Bookends, press Cmd-y, which takes you back to where you were in Scrivener, with a temporary reference pasted in, looking like (e.g.) {Arregui, 2010, #97925}

When you have finished writing, export from Scrivener (by compiling, or exporting file) to rtf.

Scan the rtf file with Bookends, which will replace the temporary references in place with nicely formatted citations in the format you have chosen in Bookends, e.g. like this: (Arregui, 2010), and append a bibliography to the end of the rtf file with entries like this: Arregui, A. (2010). Detaching if-clauses from should. Natural language semantics, 18, 1–53. (Or however the bibliography style you have chosen formats them.)

What is this workflow leaving you to do manually that could be automated? (This is a sincere question -- if you have a good idea, it's likely that it could be implemented, given the incredible responsiveness to users of the respective developers of Scrivener and Bookends.)

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Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:04 am Post

Okay, thanks for your help. I exported my Mendeley bibliography to Bookends and used it to input my citations and the auto-generation of the reference list. It worked pretty well and was more seamless than my own fumbling through it. The citation shows as an endnote rather than "(Author, DATE), but I am sure there is a setting for that. I would want this format for drafting a research paper.

This is a big difference from Mendeley, which will only copy and paste the reference in text, not citations (although the feature is called "Copy Citation").

One of the things that I like about Sente and Mendeley is the automatic importing of metadata. It looks like all the document information has to be added manually in Bookends. Is that right?

Given that, my workflow with Scrivener will be:
1. DevonThink as the central repository for all my documents, this project and others.
2. Add bibliographic information to BookEnds.
3. Read documents in Skim, making notes and highlighting along the way. Export notes from Skim to specific Binder Folder in Scrivener. This way I can search just my annotations and highlighted material by searching "Binder selection only".
4. Copy file used for specific project to Scrivener (still don't like having two copies). I really like the prospect of having a split screen with my reference document and draft on the same screen.
5. Organise and Write in Scrivener
6. Finish in Word 2011

I appreciate that there are specialist programs that are good at certain things. I can see how this integration works. Thanks for the responses.

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Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:29 am Post

The citation shows as an endnote rather than "(Author, DATE), but I am sure there is a setting for that.

Yes, you need to choose a bibliography format that produces that type of citations. I suggest Biblio>Default Format>APA 5th edition (That 's the format I used for the examples in my previous post.)

It looks like all the document information has to be added manually in Bookends. Is that right?


Absolutely not. There are several ways of getting information into Bookends. The best is if you have a pdf of a paper with a doi in the paper. In that case, if you drag the pdf onto the Bookends library list window, Bookends will offer to attach it to a new reference and find the reference information online. Rather magical.
Bookends can also pull in information from Google Scholar, Amazon, Pubmed and various other sources.

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Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:38 am Post

Copy file used for specific project to Scrivener (still don't like having two copies). I really like the prospect of having a split screen with my reference document and draft on the same screen.

Then don't copy the file into your Scrivener project, just drag it to the title bar of the second editor in Scrivener when you want to use it.
Workflow: open writing project in Scrivener. In Bookends, make a group of references that are relevant. When you want to see one of them in Scrivener, open the attachment in Bookends (Cmd-shift-o when the reference is highlighted) then drag the proxy icon at the top of the document in your pdf viewer (Preview or Skim or whatever) to the title bar of the secondary editor in Scrivener. Complicated to describe, but quick and easy to do.

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Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:24 am Post

Okay, I like it. Dragging the document to the title bar works from DevonThink too. Thanks for the tip.

As for BookEnds and metadata... thanks too... that all seems to work.

I set DevonThink to Index the folder a Finder with all my reference documents. That is the same folder as Bookends used for attachments. So now, one copy of each reference document.When I add a new file, I will add as attachment to BookEnds, then DevonThink indexes it.

Thanks for your help. This means I can have my Skim-markedup files indexed DevonThink, drag them into a split frame in Scrivener for reference while writing, but not keep it there. I will use an Automator script to automatically export Skim notes to a folder in Finder and I can point Scrivener Sync to that folder, so my notes will always be searchable in Scrivener.

I appreciate your guidance and suggestions. It makes the learning curve less steep.

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Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:40 pm Post

Glad to help a little.

As for BookEnds and metadata... thanks too... that all seems to work.


Great. I forgot to say two things. One, for academic papers, when there's no doi in the pdf, the most complete data is often (I find) obtained by downloading a citation from the website of the journal. Bookends happily accepts .ris and several Endnote formats for this information, and you can drag and drop the file on the Bookends library:

The Import References dialog box will appear whenever you drag and drop a text file onto a Bookends database window or the List View window. (Bookends user guide p 229)



Secondly, for book metadata, university library servers are the best. File>Online Search... then choose, e.g. 'Cambridge U' in the top left dropdown menu and perform a Boolean Search with the author in one field and a title word in another. Then select the correct book from the list Bookends finds and click on Import at the bottom of the window. You may need to fiddle around with the search terms a bit to find the book you want -- university libraries are sometimes a bit fussy, and we're all spoiled these days by Google's superior matching of near misses.

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Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:53 pm Post

nicka wrote:Secondly, for book metadata, university library servers are the best. File>Online Search... then choose, e.g. 'Cambridge U' in the top left dropdown menu and perform a Boolean Search with the author in one field and a title word in another. Then select the correct book from the list Bookends finds and click on Import at the bottom of the window. You may need to fiddle around with the search terms a bit to find the book you want -- university libraries are sometimes a bit fussy, and we're all spoiled these days by Google's superior matching of near misses.


I must admit I haven't read the whole thread, but I thought I'd mention http://www.worldcat.org here. Has every book in the world, the search function is very good, and it has a Cite/Export feature in the top right corner.

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Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:36 am Post

I've just spent the past few weeks evaluating a change form an EndNote / Papers environment, to BibDesk. Having made the switch to LaTeX for publishing, I found in necessary to take BibDesk seriously.

The result? As of today, I have now moved everything into BibDesk.

I'm glad I did. To be honest, I was finding it hard to justify using EndNote. I'm yet to come across an on-line database that does not offer BibTex as a citation export option, and as mature as it is, EndNote just does not play at all nicely with LaTeX. The look and feel of the two interfaces is pretty much the same and if anything BibTex is a little more "Mac-like",

It took some time to fix up my references after the EndNote export, but in doing so I learned that BibDesk is much more flexible in this regard. I was able to customise references to unusual publications very easily in BibDesk, compared to EndNote which is much more prescriptive. No doubt this is due to the fact that BibDesk is really just a wrapper to the very powerful BibTex environment.

As far as Papers is concerned, well, I'll probably keep it for iPad integration. Reading full screen PDFs in bed is much more pleasant on a tablet. However, I'm finding it hard to justify the data duplication of using both Papers and BibDesk on the same computer. BibDesk does a perfectly adequate job of providing quick access to PDFs, whereas Papers has become cluttered with windows, search engines, browsers and all sorts of junk. I do like Papers, I just find it over-engineered as a PDF repository.

For anyone considering LaTeX as a publishing environment (given we're all Scrivener users here), I can certainly recommend BibDesk as my "favorite bibliography app".

Paul

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Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:06 pm Post

Considering that this is now 2017 could we do an updated version of this survey?