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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:37 am
by JohnRobt
That's exactly the way I use Yojimbo. It's very accessible. I pop all kinds of things into it. Later sort them out and put them elsewhere, delete when done, or... just let them pile up.
I'm really glad to have it. And I got it because Mark Bernstein (of Tinderbox) extended the free inclusion of Yojimbo with a Tinderbox upgrade backward two months. So I just got in the door with it.

John Robert

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:24 am
by Gareth
He's a nice guy, Mark. Popped in to see us when he was speaking/holidaying in NZ.

I'd played with Yojimbo too, but when MB added it in to the last Tbx version increment package, I had an excuse to use it properly. It is good - makes it easy to get stuff stored away - nice bookmarklets for Safari, and a "drop dock" - and very easy to find things afterwards. I'd like some flexibility with the tagging - some sort of tag "stamp" would be nice, but the developers are responsive - and busy.

Perhaps Scriv could offload its research folder to Yojimbo, or offer interoperability (mind you, I've no idea if that's even possible/feasible)...

Pip pip!

Tinderbox vs. Inspiration

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:39 pm
by marianco
AmberV wrote:I've tried Inspiration, and while it is definitely a very good program, it does not have nearly the capacity for information processing that Tinderbox has. If you use Tinderbox for something along the lines of Inspiration, then it would be a rip off. However, its built-in logic language, template exports, and UNIX connectivity is something Inspiration cannot touch.


Exactly.

Tinderbox is like Inspiration - a combination outliner and mind-mapper.

However, Tinderbox also has a build-in programming language, note attributes (which are like database fields - but which can be written in on-the-fly), and an extensive export template system (which allows one to create a website out of one's outline, for example).

The programming language can be used to create agents (which are like automated database searches). If there are too many agents used at once, it can slow down the programming significantly.

The combination of attributes and a programming language makes Tinderbox like a database. However, unlike a database, there is no fixed form into which one enters data in Tinderbox.

In comparison to Filemaker (a database program), both can have fields added on-the-fly. But Filemaker doesn't have Tinderbox's outlining capability nor its mind-mapping capability. Thus, in Filemaker, note-writing is a fairly rigid pre-defined task, whereas Tinderbox is a much more unstructured in data entry.

Tinderbox cannot handle huge numbers of notes since it uses a straight XML file for holding the data - without having indexes like in a database to speed up searches. If one is to write a textbook which has more than 10,000 notes, then Tinderbox may become too slow to use. The mind-map of such a project would also be extremely unwieldly - thus negating that function of Tinderbox. Tinderbox's author recommended using a database when one has a huge number of notes.

For lightweight outlining and mind-mapping, Inspiration is fantastic. Inspiration also creates prettier graphics than Tinderbox can for mind-maps used for presentations.

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:03 am
by dwc
I can't understand Tinderbox. From what I do understand though, I can't quite understand how it's better than a whiteboard?

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:23 am
by AmberV
I would agree if what you need of an application is a whiteboard. In that case, something like OmniGraffle would probably be a better choice, and cheaper (even for the professional version). Tinderbox's map view, which is the view most similar to a whiteboard, is a minuscule fraction of its power, which is more well expressed in the programmatic handling of data. If the manipulation and complex handling of information at a code level is not what you need, then there are probably better places you can spend your money. To put it another way, if you played with Tinderbox's map view and presumed it to be no different than any other spatial-visual graphing application, you really, on all due respect, only scratched the surface of it.

Look at it this way, each "node" in the map can be programmed to do things. Further, groups of nodes can be programmed to do identical things based on their type. This is referred to as Prototyping. Each node can submit to its prototyping, or override specific aspects of its on a point-by-point basis. The sky is nearly the limit in terms of how you can program a node. You can even have it react and change itself according to where you put it on the map! It can be aware of its siblings, and its siblings can be aware of it. For large information problems, you'll not find a more elegant solution---but for quick diagrammes of ideas with no depth beyond what can be seen, it's probably overkill. It can be used for that, but I would only recommend such usage for people that already own it---otherwise its too expensive and complicated.

I agree with the above, in some ways it is more like an SQL compliant database. If you know how to program in SQL, you can do some awesome stuff, but its even more freeform than that, at the expensive of not being as robust in a large-scale environment. A good SQL database can handle millions of rows. You'd be insane to put that much information in to Tinderbox---but using an SQL database like Tinderbox would likewise be an exercise in madness. It's just not as flexible.

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:53 pm
by Vermonter17032
dwc wrote:I can't understand Tinderbox. From what I do understand though, I can't quite understand how it's better than a whiteboard?


I have put up three views of Tinderbox at my blog. The point of these posts is to show how versatile and useful Tinderbox is even if you do not grok all of its amazing functionality (which I still do not).

Here are the links:

http://welcometosherwood.wordpress.com/ ... tinderbox/

http://welcometosherwood.wordpress.com/ ... ox-part-2/

http://welcometosherwood.wordpress.com/ ... es-part-3/

Perhaps these will help you decide if Tinderbox is for you.

Steve

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:06 pm
by Hugh
Steve,
I found those blog posts interesting and useful. Do you plan to do any more?
H

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:13 pm
by Vermonter17032
Hugh wrote:Steve,
I found those blog posts interesting and useful. Do you plan to do any more?
H


Hugh,

I am hoping to do some additional ones, but haven't found the time recently. I will put a notice here and on outlinersoftware.com when I have something new.

Steve

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:29 pm
by fgrieser
Steve
Vermonter17032 wrote:I am hoping to do some additional ones, but haven't found the time recently. I will put a notice here and on outlinersoftware.com when I have something new.


Great. Looking forward to reading on.

Franz

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:24 pm
by Hugh
Yes, great.
H
P.S. Enjoyed all the posts, but of the recent ones, "Cochise" especially.

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:26 pm
by Vermonter17032
Hugh wrote:Yes, great.
H
P.S. Enjoyed all the posts, but of the recent ones, "Cochise" especially.


Thanks, Hugh.

I couldn't help but wonder if the irony of that occured to the governer of Arizona as she was signing the bill into law.

Steve

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:39 pm
by Hugh
Not only did the irony strike me, but it also reminded me of the magnificent and empty panoramas I've enjoyed around the Apache Trail in Arizona.

H

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:45 pm
by Vermonter17032
Hugh wrote:Not only did the irony strike me, but it also reminded me of the magnificent and empty panoramas I've enjoyed around the Apache Trail in Arizona.

H


I'm a lifelong resident of the northeast United States, but I love the southwest. Arizona and New Mexico are so beautiful, and have spent some amount of time out there, but I don't think I've been on the Apache Trail.

Steve

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 8:37 am
by Hugh

Re: Importing from Tinderbox

Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 4:32 pm
by Vermonter17032
Thanks for the visuals, Hugh. I've been near there -- visiting Tonto National Monument -- but I haven't been on the Apache Trail. Is that a four-wheel drive dirt road, or a hiking trail?

Steve