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Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:18 pm Post

I typed in "nMemodex" in Google, and believe we've found the single most obscure term on the Internet.

One hit? Really? It appears to be what you were referring to, though. I think the author here misspelled it. I found a cancelled patent application from Robert Gordon for the "mNemoDex" system. Not exactly a terribly popular term, either.

From the description, it seems remarkably similar to some of the methods that have been described around here, for large-scale "order-less" filing.
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Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:23 pm Post

AmberV wrote:I typed in "nMemodex" in Google, and believe we've found the single most obscure term on the Internet.

One hit? Really? It appears to be what you were referring to, though. I think the author here misspelled it. I found a cancelled patent application from Robert Gordon for the "mNemoDex" system. Not exactly a terribly popular term, either.

From the description, it seems remarkably similar to some of the methods that have been described around here, for large-scale "order-less" filing.


Pretty awesome how obscure it was huh? I was completely shocked. I'm not sure why the link didn't register for "me" to take a look at it, but I will now.

I'm not planning to use it in the way we've discussed the large-scale "order-less" filing though. I'm trying to use Tinderbox to gather, capture and organize ideas. I was thinking if I generated an ID that could be sorted by date of creation, that might make a really nice timeline of my ideas etc.
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Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:40 pm Post

That would be pretty simple to do. With Tinderbox you can set up a numerical attribute that is sequentially incremented whenever you create a node, makes for a nice ID attribute. You could also use a date attribute (either the built-in Created, or a custom one) and then set up a rule that performs a transform on the date to create a simplified ID that destroys itself once the ID is populated to keep CPU performance up.
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Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:58 pm Post

Simple for you! :roll:
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Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:27 am Post

It's a deliberate rearrangement of Robert Gordon's "mNemodex", coined by Frank Tansey. It was introduced in Tekka Volume 3 Number 2:
http://www.tekka.net/09/cover.html

I downloaded the whole article when I had a subscription to Tekka, but I'm sure it wouldn't be acceptable for me to send that to you. I didn't renew my subscription because it cost $50 for a year, and as far as I remember there was only one issue released during that period. I guess the paywall is the reason that Google can't crawl Tekka.

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Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:30 am Post

AmberV wrote:That would be pretty simple to do. With Tinderbox you can set up a numerical attribute that is sequentially incremented whenever you create a node, makes for a nice ID attribute. You could also use a date attribute (either the built-in Created, or a custom one) and then set up a rule that performs a transform on the date to create a simplified ID that destroys itself once the ID is populated to keep CPU performance up.


One little problem I had was that I wasn't able to stop Tinderbox assigning sequential IDs to prototypes so I had to create a few gaps in my physical collection.

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Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:58 pm Post

rickdude wrote:I downloaded the whole article when I had a subscription to Tekka, but I'm sure it wouldn't be acceptable for me to send that to you. I didn't renew my subscription because it cost $50 for a year, and as far as I remember there was only one issue released during that period. I guess the paywall is the reason that Google can't crawl Tekka.


Thank you for the reference and I'd agree it's probably not acceptable to send it to me. One of the shortcomings of online subscriptions. You can't loan it to a friend like you could if it were printed.
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Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:02 pm Post

rickdude wrote:One little problem I had was that I wasn't able to stop Tinderbox assigning sequential IDs to prototypes so I had to create a few gaps in my physical collection.


Are gaps really a problem, though? I've come across the same thing, but after a moment of fretting over my notions of digital hygiene, realised nonsequential IDs aren't the end of the world. In fact, these days I use an ID based on a date & time stamp. All kinds of gaps in that one.
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Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:29 am Post

No, you're right. They're not really a problem.

By the way, could you perhaps add a link or two to the discussion(s) referred to on "large-scale orderless filing"?

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Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:01 pm Post

No problem, some of these are quite old, and most of the threads are extremely verbose, but I think everyone involved had a great time and we all managed to collectively refine our ideas as a result.

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Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:13 pm Post

Thanks, that's certainly a lot of interesting reading!

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Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:01 pm Post

Thank you, Keith (and Mark Bernstein of http://www.eastlake.com) for the holiday "present" of a special offer on Tinderbox! Like a lot of other Scrivener users, I've looked at Tinderbox, gave it a whirl,but was never sure what it might do for me. I think that this time around, it may have more to offer than before, including more illustrations of the possibilities. The previous Scrivener forums on Tinderbox in the last year or two were well worth reading for considering how far Tinderbox has come and whether it was worth a try.

In the past, there have been complaints that it was ugly, but it now appears to be more "blank slate," and has options for lovely fills and colors:
http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/updat ... box47.html

In terms of utility, I was impressed by this model for a dashboard to manage a writing project:
http://www.markbernstein.org/Mar09/Dashboards.html, and also:
http://www.acrobatfaq.com/atbref5/index ... ncept.html

There are also examples of using Tinderbox to analyze information (and make displays of it, as in posters for conferences) here:
http://www.natematias.com/portfolio/Des ... erbox.html
I found after reading Scrivener, searching for reviews on the web, and skip-scanning the manual (which mysteriously doesn't allow searching but does have a good hypertext table of contents) that starting by going through every single link on the opening page actually yielded a lot of information, some of it from earlier versions.

There's still a problem of taking all this power and knowing exactly where to start, which probably depends on one's learning style and experience. (There is a "starter file," but for the complete novice, it doesn't seem to be of much help.) As others have pointed out, there is an online "Tinderbox Reference File" that appears to be up to date at:
http://www.acrobatfaq.com/atbref5/

I have a couple of different writing projects including an academic book, a co-edited book, an article and a conference paper that I'm working on, so I thought I would plan each project in map view and aim for a timeline for work and, later, a dashboard type of thing to help me keep to a schedule. But I intend to do all this in a pokey sort of way.

Two other reasons that I decided to pick up Tinderbox again is that I would like to learn a minimal amount of programming and also to have something that would work sometime in the future for a blog. I am not totally sure that I would use Tinderbox just to organize my writing because that's so easy to do in Scrivener. Yet at the same time, I often succumb to a degree of tentativeness, where even the index cards seem like too much commitment. That said, I'm happy to be on break and have a bit of time to fool around!

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Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:09 am Post

I, too, made the plunge this week and bought Tinderbox. I figure with all my travel and stays in airports and hotels, I will have time to develop at my own pace.

Thanks for everyone’s ideas, thoughts, suggestions, and links.

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Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:20 am Post

linn wrote:Thank you, Keith (and Mark Bernstein of http://www.eastlake.com) for the holiday "present" of a special offer on Tinderbox!

In the past, there have been complaints that it was ugly, but it now appears to be more "blank slate," and has options for lovely fills and colors:
http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/updat ... box47.html
...
In terms of utility, I was impressed by this model for a dashboard to manage a writing project:
http://www.markbernstein.org/Mar09/Dashboards.html, and also:
http://www.acrobatfaq.com/atbref5/index ... ncept.html
...
There are also examples of using Tinderbox to analyze information (and make displays of it, as in posters for conferences) here:
http://www.natematias.com/portfolio/Des ... erbox.html
...
As others have pointed out, there is an online "Tinderbox Reference File" that appears to be up to date at:
http://www.acrobatfaq.com/atbref5/
....

Thanks for the useful links, which saved me a lot of surfing around. Note that Tinderbox is actually at:
http://www.eastgate.com/

I was actually tempted to go for Twig. It costs less than a Tinderbox upgrade, and it looks pretty similar, though perhaps rather more elegant, at least in the style shown in the screencasts. What put me off, though, was that new notes are sized so small that it's impossible to see what you're typing, though once you've finished typing and pressed Return you can see all the text. It rather amazed me that they would show that so openly on a screencast and not be embarrassed enough to do something about it immediately, but I guess they have their own priorities, and perhaps becoming a charter member would give me a chance to influence design choices such as this one.
http://www.eastgate.com/Twig/video/Mapp ... encast.mov (from about 1 min in)

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Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:38 am Post

I haven't taken the plunge yet, though I suspect I will, but there is one thing that I'm still puzzling over -- is it just me, or is it difficult to link from Tinderbox to individual files and folders on one's hard drive? URLs on the web seem to be easy enough, but linking to local files seems less intuitive. Or perhaps it's just my lack of intuition. It would be useful for me to be able to link to files in Devonthink, or items in a Bookends database (without too much faffing around).

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