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Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:15 pm
by KB
We've been through the icon with a fine toothed-comb over a couple of months, and have hashed out every detail, so we are happy with it and it won't be changing further. Thanks anyway. :)

All the best,
Keith

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:05 pm
by pigfender
I like to imagine you all locked in an windowless conference room. Blount is slamming books on graphic design onto tables and shouting things like "NO ONE LEAVES UNTIL WE AGREE ON THE DISTRIBUTION OF CHALK DUST ON THE BACKGROUND."

If the reality is different, I don't want to know. :)

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:18 pm
by KB
Heh, if you swap the boardroom for something more virtual, that's scarily close. But you than have to cut to several weeks later, where everyone is slumped in their chairs, wild-eyed, dribbling and biting their knuckles while Ioa rubs his chin and ponders, "Hmm, you know, I think we should have 0.0037% more opacity in the grain pattern and contract the third rectangle by one pixel at the 32x size, but bring out the second grain line in the right part of the frame in the 64x version. And maybe try everything in green." :)

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:14 pm
by pigfender
In that case, this should bring back terrible memories.
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Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:05 pm
by Fluff
And behind the facade? Arrgghhh!!!! Saints preserve us all

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:45 am
by AmberV
That dapper imposter!


I'm still fond of the green version. :mrgreen:

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:23 pm
by Chuck
Comment from student I recommended Scapple to

I've downloaded Scapple and have begun using it. It seems very promising already and I think it could really be a big help. The openness of the format seems to give you the freedom to create notes without being entirely sure where they belong or what their implications are. I know this is precisely the point of the program, but it really does seem liberating. Thanks very much for recommending it.

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:48 pm
by Chuck
Suggestions and Commments from a very new Scapple user

I very much like its ease and freedom.
• I find long notes a little unwieldy. They have a tendency to clutter the screen. One possible suggestion: make it possible to hide the text in the bottom of the note with a "window shade" like they have in Indesign. Basically, you move up the bottom border of the note and only the text above the border remains. The rest is still there, but out of the way, and you can get to it immediately when you want it.
• What seems crucial is the ability to easily make notes look different from each other. I therefore have found it useful to work with the inspector window always open. What would be even nicer would be a pallet with buttons for things like relevant styles – blue highlight, jagged border, etc. whatever would be useful. Then you would just have to make a note and click on the button in the palette to make the note looks the way you want it to.
• Export. I realize this is the very beginning of the program and that much isn't worked out. However, two suggestions: first, it would be great if some simple hierarchical structure could be maintained when it's brought into the scrivener corkboard. Basically, if there are files that are linked with lines that one of them could be made the parent of the other.
2) export to tinderbox. Clearly there are both similarities and differences with scrapple and the map view of tinderbox. I know you are different companies, but also companies that cooperated with each other. The two programs might be seen as rivals. However, I see them as complementary. The closest analogy that comes to mind is Lightroom and Photoshop. It would be great if a quick structure of notes could be put together in scapple and then pasted onto a tinderbox map with elementary structure, such as a linked notes, being maintained. Features of tinderbox, such as prototypes, aliases in agents and outlines, etc. could then be applied. The people at tinderbox might disagree, but I find it a bit easier in scapple to quickly jot down notes. In part this is tied to the long text problem I noted above. Tinderbox makes a distinction between the title of a note and content that can be put inside it. I can understand very well why the scapple might want to remain as minimal as possible, and, like scrivener, not add features that would mitigate its simplicity. However, being able to work fluidly with both scapple and tinderbox would be a big plus. In addition to maintaining some structure, I wonder if your export module might do something like recognize two carriage returns, say after the first bit of text in a file, as its title and what follows as the content that would be put in the tinderbox note? I realize it is possible to copy a scalpel note onto a tinderbox map. However, this seems to work for only a single note at a time. When I tried to copy several notes only one was created in tinderbox, with the additional's Scapple notes being put as text inside what is now the main note.

Very useful program, in part because of its inherent simplicity and ease-of-use.

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:24 pm
by KB
Although this version 1.0 (or will be), most things have now been worked out and it is very near release now. Many thanks for the feedback, though, all of which has been registered, please forgive the short reply - it's a Friday night. :)

All the best,
Keith

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:17 am
by matsgz
[quote="Chuck"]• What seems crucial is the ability to easily make notes look different from each other. I therefore have found it useful to work with the inspector window always open. What would be even nicer would be a pallet with buttons for things like relevant styles – blue highlight, jagged border, etc. whatever would be useful. Then you would just have to make a note and click on the button in the palette to make the note looks the way you want it to.[/quote]


Cmd-click (Right-click) the note, and under Apply Note Style> or Border> you have all your "buttons".

Cheers,
Mats

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Is Over

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:09 pm
by Geef
I just tried the download and it had expired. The original post should probably be modified to note that beta period is over.

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:23 pm
by KB
The beta period is not over. Please download the latest beta from the Scapple sub-forum.

All the best,
Keith

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:10 pm
by shookfoil
Is the beta still available, if not, when will it be available for purchase. I just heard about this and it sounds ideal for my purposes, but the beta says it has expired.

Thanks - I love Scrivener and this sounds like a wonderful companion. You guys really do know what tools writers need!

Re: Scapple for Mac - Beta Testing Has Begun!

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:23 pm
by KB
Hi, yes, it's still available - head over to the Scapple subsection of the forums to grab it. Thanks for the kind words!

All the best,
Keith