Writing a novel with Scrivener - David Hewson's new ebook

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Tue May 10, 2011 2:48 pm Post

[quote="vic-k"][quote="Mollys Mum"]This is a respectable thread[/quote]
Y 'wot!!?
Y'ever read Hewson's stuff? Gratuitous violence 'n' gynasticated fornication, cover to cover.
Top of the Vatican's Index Librorum Prohibitorum!
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<laughing smiley here if there was one available/>

[quote="Sean Coffee"]David,

Got mine yesterday — a very few dollars very well spent. Well written, concise, and a great companion to the user's guide. Novel or not, if you're doing any kind of creative writing with Scrivener, this is a terrific resource.

Thank you, David!

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Now I've read it, I agree with Mr Coffee. (And I look forward to the "something longer and broader", when it appears, some day. I think there's a gap in the market for a decent book about thriller-writing, if that's what's intended.)

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Tue May 10, 2011 2:52 pm Post

Thanks Hugh. I'd quite like to write something that's about the basic mechanics of fiction really. The fundamental stuff that so many students I used to meet at writing school simply didn't have on board. There's a lot of theory in fiction but there's a lot of craft too and it doesn't get talked about enough.

One day -- if I have the time. Essentially it would be the 'don't invite me to your £%&^& writing school read this instead it's quicker and cheaper' book!

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Wed May 11, 2011 3:36 am Post

[quote="bodsham"]One day -- if I have the time. Essentially it would be the 'don't invite me to your £%&^& writing school read this instead it's quicker and cheaper' book![/quote]

I love it already! :)
Looking forward to when you have the time, although I suspect it might be a long wait… :(

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Wed May 11, 2011 5:21 am Post

Thanks for the interest, Nom. Sometimes these things turn up more quickly than one would expect. All depends on a few contractual issues for other projects now under discussion.

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Sun May 15, 2011 12:08 am Post

It would help if the manuscript for the ebook was in plain old pdf - that is a doddle in Scrivener. Anyone could then convert it to anything using Calibre - donation ware.

http://calibre-ebook.com/

I'm reasonably confident that Calibre also will convert kindle azw mobipocket format to pdf and epub etc - however I have not tried that specific conversion myself. But well worth a shot.

Format stuff here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison ... ok_formats

Why is a part of me a little saddened to see folks making money off the back of Scrivener? I guess my old egalitarian ideas are just that, a bit old fashioned. Think I might collect all my Scrivener posts and give them page numbers too. However, when I make a declarative statement it applies to ME. Not to everyone.
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Sun May 15, 2011 12:45 am Post

I'm saddened you take this view, LL. David is a bestselling author who has supported and blogged about Scrivener since before Scrivener 1.0 was released, so I am really, really pleased that he has chosen to spend time he could have been working on his next bestseller instead working on a book about how he uses Scrivener. I find it interesting to hear how authors use Scrivener myself, and I have no doubt that other Scrivener users will find it useful.

He's not making "money off the back of Scrivener" any more than anybody else writing a book about software. I myself have bought several books on using Photoshop, and I do not feel the authors are taking advantage of Adobe, and Scrivener itself owes its existence in part to Steve Kochan and Aaron Hillegass, authors who chose to make money by writing about Apple's development software, Xcode, and whose books made a lot more sense to me than the Apple help materials. If David's book does that for a budding young author starting out with Scrivener then my only complaint would be that the budding young author ends up getting published before me. :)

As for format, David created his .mobi file using Scrivener's .mobi export. He did so in order to sell via Amazon - a PDF file would not be optimal for selling, and the Kindle format is great as it can be used on the Kindle device (which I love) and on Kindle software for the iPad, iPhone and other platforms. I think he has a right to be paid for his efforts, as do all authors. And if you choose to write a screenwriting book for authors, I will not complain either, and will happily endorse it. :)

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Sun May 15, 2011 3:06 am Post

[quote="Lord Lightning"]It would help if the manuscript for the ebook was in plain old pdf - that is a doddle in Scrivener. Anyone could then convert it to anything using Calibre - donation ware.

http://calibre-ebook.com/

I'm reasonably confident that Calibre also will convert kindle azw mobipocket format to pdf and epub etc - however I have not tried that specific conversion myself. But well worth a shot.[/quote]

Yes, your point about Calibre is correct. It converts to any one of 16 formats, including PDF.

I winced at your second comment. The Hewson book is an original effort and highly useful to fiction writers. So few support our community; we should not be tearing down each other.

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Sun May 15, 2011 5:11 am Post

Doesn’t take long to get ripped off does it? And to be told I'm 'making money off the back of Scrivener too.' Do you work for a living Lord Lightning? If you spent a few weeks working on something of value to others wouldn't you expect a small reward for it -- and it is small compared to the general fiction I could have been writing instead? Or is your day job performed for free? I'm also impressed by the way you know it's a 'collection of old posts' without even reading it (it isn't actually, it's all new material written from scratch though obviously some of it covers issues I've written about -- for free -- on my blog).

This is a copyright book. No one has the right to convert it into anything else. If you want to read it please either buy it or if you live in the US borrow it from a friend through the Kindle lending system for which it is enabled. If you don't want to do either then kindly accept you can't read it.

Once this book is converted to pdf it will be on the torrents in minutes I promise. I had been planning to write a follow-up longer title about the mechanics of fiction (and yes, LL, I would have the temerity to ask people to pay for that too). If I'm going to be ripped off so quickly -- and through a community of writers at that -- I don't think I'll bother. I could be writing fiction instead, which will get ripped off too but does make rather more money after the book theft.

In order for LL to steal my book in the way he outlines above someone will, of course, have to provide him with the file. Can I please ask people NOT to do this, not if you want to be working writers yourselves one day.

Thanks goodness there are honest people out there though -- and newcomers to Scrivener who are coming to it, I hope to think, because my own readers are interested too.

http://www.davidhewson.com/blog/2011/5/ ... ryone.html

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Sun May 15, 2011 6:32 am Post

My understanding is that Calibre converts formats, but will not crack DRM. So the book would need to be DRM-free before you could give it to Calibre. Or the original author would need to do the conversion, perhaps as a low overhead way of publishing on multiple platforms.

Personally, I truly wish that it were possible to import all of my e-books from whatever source into a single reader. But for that to happen, authors (and publishers) need to be sure enough of their income streams to use less-aggressive rights management tools. So if you want cross-platform e-books, buy the book anyway, and *then* tell the publisher how you feel.

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Sun May 15, 2011 6:35 am Post

I would like it to be in other formats too but as I've already said it's impossible, mainly because I'm not based in the US.

http://www.davidhewson.com/blog/2011/5/ ... books.html

Kindle can be cracked by those sufficiently devious and I'm sure this will be at some stage. No one who's bought the book or written about it on Amazon has complained about DRM, perhaps because the Kindle system is so broad it lets you read your book on a PC, Mac, iPhone, iPad, Android or Blackberry, simultaneously if you want. Hardly a restriction for most readers.
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Sun May 15, 2011 3:52 pm Post

READY..... FIRE......AIM.

Holy maloley! What the dickens are you talking about? Have you been smoking the drapes or something? Did I advocate ripping off your kindle text? Did I 'tear' anyone down. Hey, for goodness sake I just posted a technical response to the limitations of the kindle. There is a world outside Amazon. It seems to me that I was suggesting that if people got the kindle version and needed to convert it then it could be done in Calibre. You are trying to do a King Canute urging people not to convert it to the format they need for their e-reader. I have a Sony e-reader and an iPad and I will convert whatever I want to those formats if I think the material is worth the effort. Don't worry, I won't download your book.

As for making an effort on behalf of Scrivener for free - where the hell have you been since 2006?

I take Keith's point and his plausible argument. But we are just in two different places on the issue. I was just coming from another place with another equally valid way of seeing the product - at least respect the altruism at the heart of my observation. I have a different point of view, no need for the Queen of Hearts to be yelling, "Off with his head."

What the hell am I doing here? It is like a frontal lobotomy.

As to your worthy statement about earning money from your efforts. Fine. No problems. However, dozens of people who have adopted the Scrivener karma (the Zen of Scrivener) have donated hundreds of hours in total, contributing their time and talent to making it such a useful and beautiful writing tool and they are not doing a workup of their posts to turn into a book - and many, if not most, are professional writers. Nothing wrong with making a quid or a buck off the back of such a wonderful tool other than it saddens me a little to see it. My grief, my voice, my opinion. When I make a declarative statement it applies to ME. Not to everyone.

I am thinking...
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Sun May 15, 2011 4:03 pm Post

If you have an iPad you don't need to convert it. You can read it on there already with Kindle. If you look at the date I joined this forum you can see where I've been since 2007.

Given the amount of piracy around these days you shouldn't be surprised if people read a line like...

[quote]It would help if the manuscript for the ebook was in plain old pdf [\quote]

And ask... help who exactly?

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Sun May 15, 2011 4:30 pm Post

Brilliant philosophical reasoning - arguing from effect to cause. Whew! Why pdf and why epub? It would help people who wanted the pdf version to buy the pdf version. Just as an epub version would help people who wanted an epub version to buy an epub version.
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Sun May 15, 2011 4:37 pm Post

There isn't a pdf version to buy and there never will be. Mobi and epub are much better formats for ebooks. They have flexible formatting and are easy to use. They also have publishing delivery mechanisms - Kindle, iBooks etc - set up to handle them and deliver books straight to the device which is what most people want.

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Sun May 15, 2011 5:20 pm Post

So, put it up as an epub as well as a mobi file. It is EXACTLY what I suggested in my post above. Enlarge your market and don't dump on someone who makes a suggestion you then agree with. The simple and irrefutable truth is that DRM *does not prevent piracy*. DRM is not only pointless and harmful to buyers of e-books but also a waste of money (estimated to cost $9B by 2012).
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-adva ... x=0&I2.y=0


Oh! To anyone reading this thread - I have read the full text of this e-book, in spite of this whacko exchange with the author, and it is worth every cent. If you like the Kindle solution, or decide to run it on your computer using the free Kindle app, then it is one of the best "how to" books on using Scrivener - period. It is easy to read. It is truly authoritative. It will enable mastery of Scrivener in a very short time. It beats the pants off trolling through several thousand posts on the Lit & Latte site. The author, David Hewson, writes in a way that engages your thinking and creative minds at the same time - and yes, you do feel the urge to stop reading it and start writing, and that is called 'inspiring'.

I was so inspired that I deleted all of my Scrivener Templates and more useful posts and have decided to collect them to put in a Kindle book of my own - as Keith suggests (And if you choose to write a screenwriting book for authors, I will not complain either, and will happily endorse it).

Recommendation - BUY David Hewson's e-book.

Having said that I strongly recommend that you read this if you are an author. It explains DRM on one page.
http://drmfree.calibre-ebook.com/about#drm

Here are over 2000 DRM free books:
http://drmfree.calibre-ebook.com/

And here is a useful site to help decide which e-reader might suit you best:
http://www.the-ebook-reader.com/free-ebook-reader.html

If you want to consider Kindle and have a PC - http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/r ... 1000426311

If you have a mac and want to download the free Kindle app - http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/r ... 1000464931
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